Spurs looking to acquire another 1st?

[Ariel]

My point, more specifically, is that we are in a rebuilding phase, and there will be young players, obviously, but we need talent more than anything, so that’s why I think we should consolidate picks to get higher quality talent. We’re less likely to get quality talent if we’re only picking in the teens and 20s with our first round picks.

I don't know that anyone is against that, certainly I'm not. We have more 2nd rounders than we can use in 2 decades right now, probably too many first rounders too, If we can consolidate picks into better ones that's obviously a good idea. What I'm mostly against is the notion that we've reached a breaking point in terms of player development, we haven't and this is as good a time to do so as it's going to be for the foreseeable future. If it's used on higher ceiling prospects all the better as far as I'm concerned.

[stnick2261]

I think we have the perfect number of 1st round picks. In 8 years, we have enough picks (15) to field a full team. That should account for the best rising to starters, the lesser ones falling to the 2-3 deep... and the ones who don't pan out at all can be released for FAs.

We can actually go back to draft-and-stash'ing 2nd round picks... but ideally, we can use the 2nd round picks to move the 1st round picks up a few spots each year. (I'd love to package our 2nds this year for another first).

By the time all of those draft picks are used, the ones we picked first will be grizzled veterans.

[ducks]

Takes two to tangle

[Extra Stout]

I think only Sochan on the roster has the potential to be a secondary or tertiary star, but it’s not a sure thing. Maybe he’s just a solid starter. Vassell’s ceiling is probably a solid starting wing on a good team.

So the Spurs have to keep looking in the draft I think. They can either keep drawing, figuring one or two of the picks over the next couple of years will pan out as stars, or they can make deals to get higher picks sooner for specific players they want.

[Ariel]

Takes two to tangle

And to tango too...

[rascal]

I think only Sochan on the roster has the potential to be a secondary or tertiary star, but it’s not a sure thing. Maybe he’s just a solid starter. Vassell’s ceiling is probably a solid starting wing on a good team.

So the Spurs have to keep looking in the draft I think. They can either keep drawing, figuring one or two of the picks over the next couple of years will pan out as stars, or they can make deals to get higher picks sooner for specific players they want.

I see no all star level players other than Wemby on the current roster.

No current player has special NBA athleticism or shot creation and no player on the team is an exceptional shooter/go to scorer or shows explosive quickness. The team has a couple of potential solid upside starters but most are below average without all star level potential.

Wemby is the cornerstone of a possible future multi championship dynasty but the Spurs still need to do work in building around him.

[Mr. Body]

Dejounte Murray was totally a star when he came out and never improved whatsoever.

[Extra Stout]

Dejounte Murray was totally a star when he came out and never improved whatsoever.

DJM showed more by the end of his first season than Johnson or Vassell ever have.

[RC_Drunkford]

I see no all star level players other than Wemby on the current roster.

No current player has special NBA athleticism or shot creation and no player on the team is an exceptional shooter/go to scorer or shows explosive quickness. The team has a couple of potential solid upside starters but most are below average without all star level potential.

Wemby is the cornerstone of a possible future multi championship dynasty but the Spurs still need to do work in building around him.

exactly. It's not like any of these guys are Shaedon Sharpe

[rascal]

DJM showed more by the end of his first season than Johnson or Vassell ever have.

Vassell and Johnson aren't going to get much better than what they are now.

Last year's rookies can get better but I don't see any of them getting good enough to be an all star go to second scoring option to Wemby.

Those unprotected Atlanta picks may turn out to get the spurs high enough into the draft to get another all star level player.

[Mr. Body]

DJM showed more by the end of his first season than Johnson or Vassell ever have.

I'm not sure if that means anything.

[rascal]

exactly. It's not like any of these guys are Shaedon Sharpe

Sharpe has more all star potential than any other current spur other than Wemby.

[RC_Drunkford]

Devin Vassell can clearly become a Paul George or Jaylen Brown type of player. He actually averaged more points than both of them did in their 3rd year. As far as I know those guys are considered legit 2nd options on championship contenders. And I agree with Extra Stout that Sochan could get there if he becomes a shooter as he's a difficult match up due to his size and foot speed already.

[Extra Stout]

Vassell and Johnson aren't going to get much better than what they are now.

Last year's rookies can get better but I don't see any of them getting good enough to be an all star go to second scoring option to Wemby.

Those unprotected Atlanta picks may turn out to get the spurs high enough into the draft to get another all star level player.

I think when a player is special, you know it in the first or second year, even if they haven’t put it all together yet. Maybe there are some late-blooming exceptions I’m not thinking of, but they’re rare.

Wesley is the only Spur who has that kind of potential, but he’s likelier to fall out of the league than he is to become a star.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sharpe has more all star potential than any other current spur other than Wemby.

Sharpe can clearly be Michael Jordan

[Extra Stout]

Devin Vassell can clearly become a Paul George or Jaylen Brown type of player. He actually averaged more points than both of them did in their 3rd year. As far as I know those guys are considered legit 2nd options on championship contenders. And I agree with Extra Stout that Sochan could get there if he becomes a shooter as he's a difficult match up due to his size and foot speed already.

I don’t think PPG average means much. On bad teams, somebody still has to take the shots. Paul George was “that guy” by his second year. Jaylen Brown’s advanced stats over his first few years look more like Vassell’s, but even back then observers knew he was special. If Vassell were that guy, he already would be there.

[RC_Drunkford]

I don’t think PPG average means much. On bad teams, somebody still has to take the shots. Paul George was “that guy” by his second year. Jaylen Brown’s advanced stats over his first few years look more like Vassell’s, but even back then observers knew he was special. If Vassell were that guy, he already would be there.

Jaylen Brown averaged 13 PPG in his 3rd season. Vassell missed more than half a season last year. You can't determine his ceiling after 2 1/2 years of playing NBA ball

[Extra Stout]

I mean, Devin Vassell would need to get on his horse next year to be as good as Danny Green at the same point in his career. Was Danny Green a star?

[rascal]

Devin Vassell can clearly become a Paul George or Jaylen Brown type of player. He actually averaged more points than both of them did in their 3rd year. As far as I know those guys are considered legit 2nd options on championship contenders. And I agree with Extra Stout that Sochan could get there if he becomes a shooter as he's a difficult match up due to his size and foot speed already.

Not a chance. Vassell looks and plays weaker(not as quick and explosive to the rim) than Paul George.

George is 6'8" with a 6' 11" wingspan.
Vassell is 6'5'

Sochan is still unknown but he's overrated on Spurstalk and has become a big fan favorite but watching his game nothing indicates that he will become a go to 2nd scoring option.

[RC_Drunkford]

I mean, Devin Vassell would need to get on his horse next year to be as good as Danny Green at the same point in his career. Was Danny Green a star?

Danny Green averaged 18 PPG and could dribble? When did you become a Spurs fan?

[spurraider21]

Jaylen Brown averaged 13 PPG in his 3rd season. Vassell missed more than half a season last year. You can't determine his ceiling after 2 1/2 years of playing NBA ball

another comp is middleton based on his development track

[Extra Stout]

Danny Green averaged 18 PPG and could dribble? When did you become a Spurs fan?

You’re too hung up on points per game. Vassell averaged 18 because he was on a dog team with no better options. On a good team, Vassell would be the fourth or fifth option and score half as much.

Danny Green was one of the prototypical 3 & D guys of the 2010’s. He couldn’t dribble but neither could Michael Finley.

[RC_Drunkford]

You’re too hung up on points per game. Vassell averaged 18 because he was on a dog team with no better options. On a good team, Vassell would be the fourth or fifth option and score half as much.

Danny Green was one of the prototypical 3 & D guys of the 2010’s. He couldn’t dribble but neither could Michael Finley.

ok so on a tanking team Danny Green could average 18 PPG?

[Extra Stout]

another comp is middleton based on his development track

I could stomach that, but that would mean Vassell needs a breakout 2023-24.

[mo7888]

I think when a player is special, you know it in the first or second year, even if they haven’t put it all together yet. Maybe there are some late-blooming exceptions I’m not thinking of, but they’re rare.

Wesley is the only Spur who has that kind of potential, but he’s likelier to fall out of the league than he is to become a star.

I think Branham has better chance of reaching a Devin Booker level archetype. Don't take that as a prediction that he'll make it there, but he's got the game and a smooth release that makes me think he's got a shot at it.