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Vassell may have to go back to the bench if he cant get it together.
I can't stand watching him play on both sides of the court. IDK why people on here were talking about him like he was the 2nd star Wemby needs. The comparisons to D-Russ are actually very bad as Vassell is looking more & more like Keldon.
Vassell may have to go back to the bench if he cant get it together.
If you cant make sense of what im saying. Well, watch tonights clips game. Cant ask for more from Vic.DV has never been a good defender. He’s not as bad as the graphics or his ratings or his metrics? Now who is making excuses.
You’re a weird troll. The hype DV train and on Wemby train isn’t exactly one I would tie myself to. Somehow bc Wemby takes threes that means that DV can’t take threes? Makes sense to me. Vassell needs to continue to take bad shots bc Wemby is taking too many threes. Oh ok. Also who would you like taking threes then seeing as we are a horrible 3 point shooting team and would be the worst 3 point shooting team in the league if Wemby wasn’t making 4 a game.
Look maybe you’re DVs family and just defending your own. But what exactly does Devin bring to the table? 17 ppg and zero defense. We can find that anywhere. What does Wemby bring to the table? All world defense, leading the team in blocks, rebounds, points, FG%, second in assists.
Also I wonder what the Spurs record is with DV as a starter vs DV coming off the bench or DV not playing at all. Look it up and then get back to me at how essential DV is this year.
He didnt settle for the 3. Made it a focus to go inside from the 1st q& dominated both ends. He was a presence to his teammates . Thats exactly what I'm talking about. Lead by example
DV however I'm definitely concerned after a step in the right direction previous game. His lack of ability to stay in front of his man looks worse this season..especially on the 1st step.Thats why im hoping it's a confidence or fitness issue to do with with his knee.
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Vassell's jumpers look broken tbh
His upper body is leaning too forward when he was pulling up.
Looking at Castle's stats as a starter got me thinking...
Castle as a starter, 17 games: 14.6/2.6/4.5 with 1.1 steals, 0.4 blocks and 2.1 turnovers on 40/31/78
Devin as a starter, 7 games: 14.3/4.6/3.0 with 1.4 steals, 0.4 blocks and 1 turnover on 41/31/86
If we take into account that Castle is a way better defender, should it even be a discussion? Yeah, I know people are going to say Devin is coming off an injury, but we're talking about a rookie here who's got way more untapped potential when he figures things out.
Also, obviously it can't just be a Castle/Devin change, it's more like Castle+Champ vs Devin+Jeremy.
Mitch should seriously consider making it matchup based. If there's no big wing Jeremy needs to take care of, lineup with Castle and Champ is obviously doing better.
vassell is playing perfectly fine, i don't know what you guys are talking about
castle is a better defender __potentially__.. he is currently pretty bad and gets exposed a lot.
Devin has been a turnstile this season, not just when it comes to staying in front of his man, but he's got defensive decision making of someone who never played basketball before.
Nvm, I just remembered you're the guy who keeps ting on Castle's defense, that's your gimmick. We got so many posters with strange gimmicks in here, tbh.
The problem with that comparison is that it’s the best Castle has played, and the worst that Vassell has EVER played.
It's Castle's rookie season and he's playing the most difficult position for a rookie. Point of attack defender on defense and point guard on offense. That's why not playing point full time helps him so much.
It's Devin's 5th year and at some point you have to ask what's his actual level? Every tanking team has those ~20ppg scorers who look good, but in the end it turns out they didn't really contribute to winning.
Vassell has yet to prove he's a winning player.
Yeah, but none of that changes the fact that a worst to best comparison is neither fair nor valid. I’d take rookie Devin in a starter comparison over rookie Castle. In fact, I’d take any year Devin except this injury recovery season.
It's absolutely valid. You can have a different opinion on who should be the starter going forward, but the comparison is valid because the goal of this comparison isn't to determine who's a better player individually, but who will the team benefit from more long-term.
Do you want to maximize your rookie who's obviously got potential to be a high end, two-way starter?
Or you want to get your supposed second option back on track even though he's been unable to stay healthy for some time now and some aspects of his game are raising serious questions?
As for Devin's actual impact, I'm sure scott has some not so flattering advanced metrics.
Another "Collins is having an objectively good season" take - perfect!
Don't even need an advanced metric, just this one:
Spurs are a better team with Castle in over Devin. What's left to discuss?
Been debating with the homers on Reddit over Vassell this morning. People are truly delusional. One dude's legitimately saying Devin can't be having a bad season, because he is shooting the second best TS% of his career (.558)... nevermind that .558 isn't actually all that impressive (.572 is the cutoff to even crack the Top-50 among SGs).
People have been really bamboozled into think Vassell is a lot better player than he really is.
Reddit makes the sniffers on here look like “edgelords.” Has to be young fans who are use to the Spurs losing. They literally defend every one of our rotation players and don’t want to trade any of them because the players are allso nice and wholesome.
Can we talk about me for a second? After his first playback from injury, he immediately went into hero mode. It was obvious to me then and more so now that he will need to adjust and it's not going to be that much by choice. To give credit where credit is due, it does seem like Mitch is guiding him in this way to some degree, and Devin is playing less like a moron, but then there's still the defensive issues.
Your prior comparison of De'Andre Hunter is actually spot on for Vassell. Came into the league as a 3 and D player, showed some promise early, signed to a bloated contract, defense is actually terrible, ends up having renaissance of sorts off the bench as a still- ty defender but good 3 point shooter giving the second unit some juice.
Indeed. And while his contract is bigger than what you'd like to pay your 6th man, it's really not that bad if he could be a high-level contributor in that role since we have Wemby and Castle on rookie deals. Just jettisoning Keldon and Collins gets you massive amount of cap flexibility so Devin's deal really isn't that problematic.
Can Devin make the D'Andre transition?
I don't think there is a way to actually achieve it (well, I guess more picks always does the trick) but I'd be down for a Fox/Castle/Vassell 3-man primary guard rotation. You just need to sprinkle in a player like Tre to absorb some extra minutes here and there. Castle's versatility to play alongside Fox or Vassell is key.
While I like the picture you've painted of Fears, I don't think Fears/Castle/Vassell works the same way simply because I don't want to wait 2-3 years for Fears to become a high level NBA player. I want to maximize having a Top3 player on an MLE-level deal for the next 2.5 years.
Blows me away how ty a defender Vassell can be with that 6'10" wingspan.
Vassell has never been seen as the second star by PATFO, or even himself, otherwise his contract would be a better contract. He is being paid as a 3rd or 4th option on a team but the problem is he’s not even living up to that now. Vassell either has to really go his offensive efficiency or get back as a lockdown defender to justify that contract, otherwise he’d be a liability.
Disagree. This is an org that has had its past stars paid below average. They were likely hoping he’d play above his salary and become their 2nd guu.
I have no way of knowing for certain, but Devin puts off the vibes that he thinks of himself as the Primary Star
I remember pre-Wemby, Dev was doing a live and then a spurs fans said something like tank for Wemby and then dev does “why bring up Wemby? We’re gonna surprise some people this year.” Only for them to win 22 games lol.
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