Last night there was a situation with Devin perfectly set up to draw a charge and he just moved out of the way.
I really miss Derrick in that regard.
Relax and stop being brainwashed.
The roster is different though because Mobley and Garland are closer to their prime + they added shooting.
Of course they play slightly different, but the success is on the players. It always is. With reasonable health, this team was always going to be a regular season wins machine.
I'm not brainwashed, you just had a bad take and would rather embarrass yourself than admit you're wrong.
Noone said Bickerstaff Cavs were a bad team, it's just that Atkinson took them to another level.Of course they play slightly different, but the success is on the players. It always is. With reasonable health, this team was always going to be a regular season wins machine.
Those it's all about the players stories can work only on casual fans. Unless you have a stacked team led by one of the best players in the league, coach makes the most difference.
Idk why am I even engaging in this nonsense, just research for yourself and see what non-casual Cavs fans think about the coaching change.
I'm wrong because I brought up facts and you brought up theories?
Whatever, I'm done here. I don't care enough to expend the time or energy to do this anymore.
Think what you want and continue on being miserable and filled with rage.
Which ing facts you re , I told you they were way worse offensively last year, you brought the year before and I told you they played completely different basketball, evidenced by their pace difference which can't be an outlier.
Why is this ing board full of such massive egos that would rather hang themselves than accept they had a bad take?
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So you come back to put people on ignore when they have a different opinion than you?
I personally have nothing against him ignoring me, but letting everyone know he ignored me is teenager level pettiness.
Especially after he said I'm making things up and my only argument were literally numbers.
This place is a freakshow, tbh.
the fact that you think players come up with style of play and in-game strategy themselves is almost as hilarious as your hard on for Anthony Davis
He’s been on his coaches don’t matter train for years. The cavs change in offensive style is well do ented and various articles by basketball analysts were pointing that out in December or so about how the cavs offense if much more difficult to guard due to those changes. it was obvious and to say they ran the same plays two years ago was asinine. The cavs did not have mobley and Allen as offensive hubs in the past and they did this year. The pace is way faster, and this is all written about during the preseason. The change in offensive philosophy wasn’t only clear, Atkinson said it himself.I personally have nothing against him ignoring me, but letting everyone know he ignored me is teenager level pettiness.
Especially after he said I'm making things up and my only argument were literally numbers.
This place is a freakshow, tbh.
Just save your breath, coaching is more important now than ever before. The complexity in offensive sets have mandated a system rather than a bunch of guys trotting around. The precision is high in order to execute properly. Obviously players matter but they are there to run a system they won’t be able to just magically come up with on their own.
That's CRAZY if true.
That means it's a team full of Bryn's. Anti-Hustle. And one area where Anti-Hustle really shows itself? Defensive rebounding. Far too many times this year where the ball drops in the middle of some Spurs but no one moves to grab it resulting in a lost rebound to the other team.
the only guy I remember diving on the floor for loose balls? Wemby.
This is where coaching matters. Mitch tolerates this nonsense. He's not getting into players. At all. He refuses to immediately sub out lazy for some kind of spark players who would love minutes like Mamu or Sidy, and sadly some of the remaining end of bench players themselves are Anti-Hustle like Branham. He subs out Castle for rookie mistakes no problem, but it's open season for everyone else to eat ass
Nah, I put them on when they're ranting, raving lunatics who resort to ad homenim and/or trolls.
If it was just about difference of opinion, I'd have put many on ignore long ago.
As I've said, my memory is not what it was. I can't recall all these squabbles of the past, but whoever can't move by it, I won't be wasting my time with. Also makes it easier to sift through.
Base offenses and defenses utilize the same concepts, they just use different terminology. Of course, they'll use more or less of something based on personnel, but no one is reinventing the wheel and any player that's been in the league more than five minutes has seen and heard it all.the fact that you think players come up with style of play and in-game strategy themselves is almost as hilarious as your hard on for Anthony Davis
I didn't argue that the Cavaliers' style hasn't been tweaked, I argued that's not the primary driver of their success.
I'm not even Davis fan, he's just near the top of the list of players who are constantly underappreciated or criticized.
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That's because Mitch is honestly, ing terrible at his job.
Pop needs to or get. Either, come back and coach this team or get out of the way so a real coach can take over. That means taking Johnson with you.
sure it's a copycat league, but coaching still matters regardless. I know you think it's the players and coaching is overrated which is true to a certain degree, but not all the way. Rotations matter, line ups matter, time outs matter and a coach being able to motivate his players to execute the gameplan matters as well. I don't see any of it on the Spurs.
We'd rather do a half-assed swipe at the ball to ensure the and-1
This whole back and forth is giving me flashbacks of when reporters were asking Vinny Del Negro about his coaching system and he responded by basically saying all systems were the same, everyone ran everything, it's all pick and rolls and pops and post ups and cuts, it was all the same.
I'm sure Vinny would love a chance to coach again, and he's even part of the 'family'.
No thank you for me, but I suppose some fans might be into him and his philosophy.
You might as well just wave a white flag against this person because showing someone that you have them on the ignore list is the biggest self own of all. I swear some of you are so damn pathetic.
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Fair enough, just spare me the "system" crap when they're all more or less utilizing the same menu of options (of course tailored to their own personnel).
Rotations are by far most important, but again politics play a role.
I agree that Johnson probably doesn't have a firm enough personality to be a head coach. The key to commanding a room and getting them to buy into what's (perceived) best for the team, is to be something of a prick without having them resent you for it.
Vassell seems actively afraid of taking a charge.
It’s entirely possible that Bickerstaff was no longer the right coach for CLE, and Atkinson was, while Bickerstaff was simultaneously the right coach for where DET is and they are headed.
It’s also possible that Bickerstaff could have learned from his time in CLE and made some adjustments in how he’s approached the job in DET. I know us Spurs fans aren’t used to coaches making adjustments…
TBH, Atkinson deserves COY consideration, but so does JB. He’s done an amazing job in DET, a team that looks better than ours despite not getting much from their last two lottery picks right now.
Sure. It's also entirely possible that they'd more or less be in the same position had they brought in virtually any other coach (Mitc had supposedly soured on Bickerstaff), given the factors I said.
I just don't like the lazy, cliche default credit to the coach narrative.
The few who I see as having a tangible impact are the ones I described in my last post, but they often have a limited shelf life because their gruff demeanor generally burns players out fast.
Who else might be a good option next year aside from Hurley or Spoelstra (if we’d have a chance with either)? I remember liking what I saw from the Knicks’ coach at one point, though I’m sure he’s locked into a decent contract. Any good Assistants out there?
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