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    I agree.

    And I’m kind of OK with it for a season but the fit isn’t ideal on both ends.

    The Celtics have made it work with Holiday-White-Brown. Castle isn’t that far off Jaylen Brown in terms of size defensively. But offensively that lineu has way better spacing than the Spurs one.

    When you look at the West there are a few big wings who will overmatch Steph Castle if he’s playing the 3.

    OKC has Jaylen Williams.
    Houston has no one, Castle can cover Amen Thompson
    Lakers have Luka.
    Denver has no one.
    Clippers have Kawhi
    Minny has Ant who Castle is a decent matchup for.
    GS has Jimmy which is an Ok matchup for Castle.
    Memphis has no one.
    Sacramento has no one.
    Dallas has no one.
    Phoenix has Durant
    Portland has no one unless you count Avdija
    NO has Trey Murphy who isn’t physical.
    Utah has no one.

    . . . and none of them have Wemby.

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    Spurs also need rebounding from the forwards, since Wemby is gonna get pulled away from the paint
    Yeah, Sochan's usefulness is kind of narrowing. Bench defensive specialist. Won't be able to be in units with Castle (unless Castle's shot develops). Jeremy can help himself by continuing to develop his rebounding. Thought he made a nice leap in that area this past season. If he can keep his ORB% at around 10 like it was this past season and increase his DRB% to 20, that would be be huge.

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    As I wrote earlier, over the past 15 years 6'4-6'6 ballhandling guards picked in top5 were pretty much a guaranteed success.
    Evan Turner was the last true flop, 2010.
    Exum got ruined by injuries.
    RJ Barrett is the worst player of the bunch, a subpar 20ppg scorer, but he was never projected to be a ballhandler.

    Other than generational prospects, 6'4-6'6 top5 point guards are the safest picks.
    I'd say Harper's floor would would be something like 15/5/7 with average 3pt shooting and a bit above average defense.
    Worst case scenario we solved our 6th man role for the next decade.
    Best case scenario we got beyond lucky yet again and have a superstar point guard draft rights.
    I meant Giannis good
    Thats who I was comparing him to. I’m not saying Harper is going to suck. I’m saying that trading him for Giannis shouldn’t be considered stupid

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    If we trade #2 + others for Giannis, when do you see that going down timeline wise?

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    If the Spurs could get the 76ers to part with the Clippers unprotected '28 1st, I could see it. Edgecombe seems the Spurs type and his projected cleaner fit would get them out of the looming pickle they otherwise face.

    Not saying they won't or shouldn't, but between Fox, Harper Jr. and to a lesser extent Castle and their agents, it'd be awkward at best and toxic at worst if they select him.
    How is a guy who is only a 2 a better fit than a guy who is a 1-3?

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    I meant Giannis good
    Thats who I was comparing him to. I’m not saying Harper is going to suck. I’m saying that trading him for Giannis shouldn’t be considered stupid
    Pure ability wise, peak Giannis is a borderline top10 player ever, I don't think even Flagg has that kind of ceiling.



    Good video, almost half of it is about his flaws.
    I'm sold on this kid, have him and Castle battle it out for the long term #2 role.

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    If we trade #2 + others for Giannis, when do you see that going down timeline wise?
    the bad thing about this trade is wemby’s value will go down and some people will say he played along side future hall of famer(still prime giannis)in his younger years and giannis might overshadowed him from being the aplpha/Batman superstar of this team.

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    That would just be about keeping everyone's ego intact.
    We should have two of them on the floor at all times, there's plenty of minutes available.

    Having all three out there would raise some serious questions about spacing and rebounding.
    Each will have to sit so there is room to draft a SF at 14. They all playing together will be a smaller combined minutes than only two playing.
    Spurs will be deep in the bakcourt the entire game and keep the pressure on all game long with no huge backcourt letdowns like they have now.

    Vassell needs to be traded and doubt CP3 is going to want a much reduced role so they shouldn't bring him back, minutes won't be there for him.

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    People keep posting these Dylan Harper highlights not realizing that all of them have something in common...he is the de factor lead guard with the ball in his hands and has the green light to do whatever he wants.

    Will he be the de facto lead guard in San Antonio with a green light to initiate offense from anywhere? Cause I could have sworn the spurs are about to pay 200 million dollars to a completely different player to do that

    It's like the pro Harper people don't understand that the player you are getting will NOT be the player he was in college and has the potential to be, because lead guard opportunities will not present itself to him on the spurs with another guy on a max contract who's job will be to do everything you want Dylan Harper to do.

    Like, what would Harper have looked like if he had to play a whole season at Rutgers with Tre Johnson or VJ? Not nearly as good with those guys cutting into his offense. That's what's going to happen to him on the Spurs until they get rid of either Fox or Castle.

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    Every pre-lotto report on Harper seemed to play the "He'll have better spacing in the NBA!" card ....

    SA might actually have worse spacing than Rutgers did

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    How is a guy who is only a 2 a better fit than a guy who is a 1-3?
    POA defender and more of an off ball type player. Who knows who ends up the better catch and shoot type between the two, but he'll almost certainly be a highly volume one and overall lower usage player due to role.

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    This is where retaining Sochan as a bench defensive specialist has some value. Any of those guys who present size-related matchup problems for Castle, Sochan can guard.

    With that said, Castle needs to improve his D this summer in addition to working on his 3P shot. His 1v1 D really took a nosedive after a promising start last season. I don't want to see it go the way of Devin's defense.
    I'm still of the mindset that if Sochan isn't going to start, he doesn't have a lot of value. His best value is checking the opponent's best wing or big guard, and that's mostly wasted off the bench. I also think a rare archetype like Sochan would be great with a really good coach but poor with a bad to average coach, and I'm not convinced yet about Mitch.

    Fox/Castle/Harper/Sochan/Wemby isn't going to work at all. If the Spurs pick Harper and don't make any other significant moves, I would rather the Spurs let Sochan hit RFA rather than give him the 5/80-90 I had been wanting.

    Good point about Castle's defense. I'm sure he would like to be the man, but taking turns on the ball with Fox and Harper while being able to conserve energy for defense will be better for the team.

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    This ultimately doesn’t mean a whole lot but find it illuminating that Harper, a noted ‘non-athlete’ vs. Edgecombe, ‘a noted + athlete’ is ahead in everything bar max vert…


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    I don't see how Edgecomb is a better fit than Harper. Edgecomb is a 2 who can only play the 2, whereas Harper is a 1 who can play the 2 and maybe a little bit of the 3.

    The Spurs may end up liking Edgecomb more than Harper as they do their evaluations, but I don't see how it could be because of fit.
    Only pure dumb s would like edgecomb over Harper. With our FO it’s not out of the question

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    People keep posting these Dylan Harper highlights not realizing that all of them have something in common...he is the de factor lead guard with the ball in his hands and has the green light to do whatever he wants.

    Will he be the de facto lead guard in San Antonio with a green light to initiate offense from anywhere? Cause I could have sworn the spurs are about to pay 200 million dollars to a completely different player to do that

    It's like the pro Harper people don't understand that the player you are getting will NOT be the player he was in college and has the potential to be, because lead guard opportunities will not present itself to him on the spurs with another guy on a max contract who's job will be to do everything you want Dylan Harper to do.

    Like, what would Harper have looked like if he had to play a whole season at Rutgers with Tre Johnson or VJ? Not nearly as good with those guys cutting into his offense. That's what's going to happen to him on the Spurs until they get rid of either Fox or Castle.
    You do realize there are 96 of play minutes at guard. Why are you dfs so black and white.

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    Why are you assholes so quick to dump Wesley and Branham. They improved at end of season and are under contract. They can be good depth and maybe even breakthrough. Remember there are 17 roster spots.
    Pop quiz hotshot ... how many roster spots on an NBA team ? 15 regular positions and 3 two way spots for a total of 18 not 17. Facts matter on this board.

    In comparison Vassell (high salary but a decent player), Fox (former all star), Castle (rookie of the year) and Harper ( best player not named Flagg) Wesley and Branham have had 3 years to develop and time has probably run out on them. Both lost minutes to Castle last season and with Harper joining the team, there just isn't room in the backcourt for them. Even if Vassell is traded, the team will most likely get a player or two back taking up a roster spot that will bump one if not two of last years guards off the team - even if we still owe them money. I don't think Mitch is loyal to either of the two especially since both players stats have trended downward for the last 3 years.

    So who do you really want in the spurs backcourt, the four players with known talent and have proven themselves (lets not forget Chris Paul- if he decides to come back) or a couple of yo-yos still trying to figure things out after 3 years. The choice should be pretty simple even for a spurs genius.

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    If we trade #2 + others for Giannis, when do you see that going down timeline wise?
    If you see Wemby call him after his selection like he did Castle, it won’t happen at all. Spurs wouldn’t have him call and greet someone on the move.

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    the bad thing about this trade is wemby’s value will go down and some people will say he played along side future hall of famer(still prime giannis)in his younger years and giannis might overshadowed him from being the aplpha/Batman superstar of this team.
    That’s the bad part? Not the huge pick cost, or his $70M salary on his next contract when his athletic gifts fade and he still can’t shoot?

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    Pop quiz hotshot ... how many roster spots on an NBA team ? 15 regular positions and 3 two way spots for a total of 18 not 17. Facts matter on this board.

    In comparison Vassell (high salary but a decent player), Fox (former all star), Castle (rookie of the year) and Harper ( best player not named Flagg) Wesley and Branham have had 3 years to develop and time has probably run out on them. Both lost minutes to Castle last season and with Harper joining the team, there just isn't room in the backcourt for them. Even if Vassell is traded, the team will most likely get a player or two back taking up a roster spot that will bump one if not two of last years guards off the team - even if we still owe them money. I don't think Mitch is loyal to either of the two especially since both players stats have trended downward for the last 3 years.

    So who do you really want in the spurs backcourt, the four players with known talent and have proven themselves (lets not forget Chris Paul- if he decides to come back) or a couple of yo-yos still trying to figure things out after 3 years. The choice should be pretty simple even for a spurs genius.
    I wouldn’t mind Blake Wesley coming back if CP3 is gone. Acts as the backup point guard to Fox and Castle.

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    Gonna need a 3rd string emergency PG, and that's where Blake comes in.

    Likewise, we're going to need a 3rd string emergency SG... but honestly Bran hasn't even earned that, though I'm not going to be too upset if he ends up filling that role next year. I'd rather it go to a old wiley vet who can be a mentor on the bench or an SRP with upside (Drake Powell?)

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    Huge fan of Fran. Has been around youth and college basketball for a long time.


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    Huge fan of Fran. Has been around youth and college basketball for a long time.

    I keep seeing a lot of young James Harden in this guy.

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    I keep seeing a lot of young James Harden in this guy.
    Someone else said it, but I’m also seeing Manu.

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    I keep seeing a lot of young James Harden in this guy.
    Yeah I can see that too. There physical profiles are almost identical coming out of college as well.

    The one thing that I kept reading in pre-draft scouting reports for Harden was that 'the effort would sometimes come and go' and 'differs in clutch moments'.
    Haven't read that yet about Harper or IIRC Cade either.

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