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    No I didn't, it comes under: "others".

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    You have a point in theory. But it be hard to find an all black neighborhood and all white neighborhood with similiar crime, housing, and etc. One of the principles of real estate is that no real property is the same.
    Affluent mixed-race neighborhoods do exist in cities where the minority middle class flourishes.

    Granted, there are things such as white flight. But the same was true for jews and itallians in the early years of our country. SO racial economic equality should not be the sole blame for the ills of the african american community. I believe behavior is also a factor. Wether you can prove that lower property value contributes to high fatherless birth rates in the black community is a tough assertion altogether.
    Oh, I'm not arguing that socioeconomic issues are the "sole blame" for the problems in the black community. There are plenty of self-inflicted cultural and at ude problems. There are some "remedies" the liberals tried that were based upon racist assumptions and did more harm than good.

    I simply was arguing that racism is more complex than just bigotry.

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    You have got to be kidding.
    He's looking at it in terms of individuals rather than in terms of populations.

    He also doesn't understand economics.

    Which brings up another question. Is a person ignorant of economics because he has no money, or does a person have no money because he is ignorant of economics?

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    Affluent mixed-race neighborhoods do exist in cities where the minority middle class flourishes.


    Oh, I'm not arguing that socioeconomic issues are the "sole blame" for the problems in the black community. There are plenty of self-inflicted cultural and at ude problems. There are some "remedies" the liberals tried that were based upon racist assumptions and did more harm than good.

    I simply was arguing that racism is more complex than just bigotry.
    They exist here in San Antonio, all over the place. Mixed-race neighborhoods. Oh, and by the way, some beighbors don't like other
    neightbors, but isn't because of race. , there are lots of people I
    don't care for, even some on this board.

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    who needs money? not me. it's a tool. i use it. it comes and goes.

    i guess i'm just ignorant of economics.

    and you damn right i'm looking at individuals.

    you fix the individuals, you fix the populations.

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    They exist here in San Antonio, all over the place. Mixed-race neighborhoods. Oh, and by the way, some beighbors don't like other
    neightbors, but isn't because of race. , there are lots of people I
    don't care for, even some on this board.
    I wonder what the correlation is between % Latino residents in a subdivision in Bexar County and property values, holding constant average square footage, lot size, and age?

    Where's TheWriter when you really need him?

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    who needs money? not me. it's a tool. i use it. it comes and goes.

    i guess i'm just ignorant of economics.
    You're supposed to be a wise steward of the resources you are allocated.

    I don't know if that is in The Gospel According to Zac, but it is in the actual Bible.

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    ^^^ the bible is "just a book" to Zak.

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    I wonder what the correlation is between % Latino residents in a subdivision in Bexar County and property values, holding constant average square footage, lot size, and age?

    Where's TheWriter when you really need him?
    I have no idea. Doubt the stats are available anywhere. But, I would bet
    in most neighborhoods a good percentage of the homes are owned by
    "others" rather than Anglo's. I would even go so far as to guess that
    this would hold true in the more affluent neighborhoods.

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    You're supposed to be a wise steward of the resources you are allocated.

    you have a point. i will take that to heart. thanks.


    ^^^ the bible is "just a book" to Zak.

    the most important book, no doubt. but yeah, just a book.

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    ^that's your best post so far.

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    The bible is the word of God, but yet you think it's just a book.

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    the most important book, no doubt. but yeah, just a book.
    Funny... its claim for itself is to be the inspired word of God, useful for all matters of faith and practice.

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    well maybe i'm just a bit wiser than you are.

    the bible has been translated countless times and while the Commandments may be the words of God, the others are stories as told by Men that have experienced enlightenment in one way or another. I value the New Testament and any and every word that Jesus speaks very very much. I value Psalms. I value Proverbs. I value the whole book.

    But I don't worship the book. I think what i am telling you is going over your head. I'm sorry for that.

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    So u believe only part of the bible is the word of God, not all of it?

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    Funny... its claim for itself is to be the inspired word of God, useful for all matters of faith and practice.

    what was the last book you read? in the Bible?


    I will not debate the merits of the Book with those that don't bother to read it.

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    ^^ well it's seems as though only certain ones matter, no?

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    So u believe only part of the bible is the word of God, not all of it?

    I follow Jesus. Anything in the Good Book that doesn't preach love, i disagree with. That's all i have to say about that.

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    I follow Jesus. Anything in the Good Book that doesn't preach love, i disagree with. That's all i have to say about that.
    Oh, well that's the way to go. makes sense.

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    well maybe i'm just a bit wiser than you are.
    Maybe your "Christianity" is really "whatever the Zac decides for himself of his own power, with a whole lot of quasi-Christian mumbo jumbo thrown in."

    the bible has been translated countless times
    Each English version of the Bible that we have was translated directly from manuscripts in the original languages.

    and while the Commandments may be the words of God, the others are stories as told by Men that have experienced enlightenment in one way or another. I value the New Testament and any and every word that Jesus speaks very very much. I value Psalms. I value Proverbs. I value the whole book.
    Then what you are saying is that the Bible gives false testimony about itself. Exactly what measure of reliability do you give such a tome?

    But I don't worship the book. I think what i am telling you is going over your head. I'm sorry for that.
    I'm curious what exactly the anchor is for your faith if it is not grounded in Scripture. Do you just make it up as you go along and call it "God?"

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    what was the last book you read? in the Bible?


    I will not debate the merits of the Book with those that don't bother to read it.
    Believe me, that's not a fight you want to take on.

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    I'm curious what exactly the anchor is for your faith if it is not grounded in Scripture.
    Jesus Christ. whom i've learned much about THROUGH Scripture.

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    Believe me, that's not a fight you want to take on.

    why not. i'm confident. are you? i have my foundation, even if i haven't read all the books.

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