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I stand corrected. Seeing him pass up a three when he's open makes me want to kill him. He might get out of his shooting slump if he'd just shoot the goddamn ball.
Ron-opath went into the stands to go after fans.
Ray and friend fell into the stands accidentally while quite aggressively going after each other. This wasn't a Vince-style slappy-slappy kidding.
I figure several games suspended for each.
I stand corrected. Seeing him pass up a three when he's open makes me want to kill him. He might get out of his shooting slump if he'd just shoot the goddamn ball.
I still don't see a hip-hop element in any of this. Is it because two black NBA players got into a fight? Would it have been a hip-hop incident if, say, Darius Songalia and Eduardo Najera (or Nick Collison and Pat Garrity) had done the precise same thing? Was the Brad Miller incident with Shaquille a few years ago a hip-hop incident?
Players fight. As several other posters have pointed out, that's not new. I don't see how you can attribute fighting in the context of a basketball game to a hip-hop influence.
Last edited by FromWayDowntown; 01-12-2006 at 04:47 PM.
Everyone is putting too much into the Hip Hop in the tile, it's irrelevant.
Besides, it says Hip Hop NBA, not Hip Hop incident. For the most part, the NBA is seen as Hip Hop, hence the dress code. The actions and at udes of most of the Superstars are Hip Hop, on & off the court.
I think the person who led it was thinking that incidents like this, especially between two black athletes is perpetuating the idea that there is a correlation between the NBA and the Hip Hop genre, and that the hip hop genre is dangerous. (I'm not here to argue whether it is, or isn't). And as long as the NBA is afraid of this we will be stuck listening to Rob Thomas at every commercial break, and Elton John as a halftime show at the all star game.
Would the term "Hip Hop" have appeared in the le of the thread if the fight had been between Collison and Garrity or between Allen and Turkoglu?
Ohhh,
so its a race thing.
Love how people like to bait me as a racist.
I don't think anyone is doing that.
People just don't see what Ray Allen and Keyon Dooling fighting has to do with the Hip Hop community.
Were they listening to the evil messages of Notorious BIG by playing his album backwards before the game?
lol
man FWD is just HOPING im look at the race angle aint he??
Damn.....
Is Allen Iverson not influenced by the hip hop community.
The way dooling talked about "Not getting my respect"
Whatever.
No, I'm not.
I'm just wondering, though, why you choose to point to that incident as having some hip-hop element to it. I don't see fights between NBA players as evidencing any sort of hip-hop element, but then again, I don't see the hip-hop element as a bad thing.
of course notI don't see the hip-hop element as a bad thing.
the way allen iverson and Kenyon Martin act, are great influences on kids.
Do you even know what hip hop is, T Park?
Tom Brady talked last week about not getting respect. Is he hip hop?
Im just some dumb white guy, so what would I know right?
This le was not born out of racism, it's stereotyping. Wrong or not, everyone does it.
When some people see that fight, they want to associate it with something or blame it on something. And because of the image the NBA has, which they gave themselves and now are trying to rid themselves of, alot of people think of the P Diddy experience. What are they gonna do, blame it on the rednecks? No. When Malone was an ass all those years, did people blame the Mormons? No. Can all albino children read minds? No. When a crazy religious woman is missing her children, did she do it? Yes
What really happened is something that goes back to the dawn of man, you hit me? I hit you back.
However, Everyone does not imagine these athletes going to their accountant, or playing horse with their children, I guarantee that is much more the case than alot of people think. Look what Wilt did to the image of the NBA in that era, everyone thought that the night life of NBA players was one big traveling orgy.
Example : I for one think of the movie Aliens every time I see Sam Cassell.
I do with the Spurs guys and others like Grant Hill, Tracy Mcgrady, Jason Kidd.Everyone does not imagine these athletes going to their accountant, or playing horse with their children
Bu now Im "stereotyping"
interesting.
Francis suspended for 'conduct detrimental to team'
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2289923
Same Orlando team, Bunch of thugs.....
Everyone needs to ask themselves if they think Ricky Williams is a nut after all the stuff he did last year. If you say Yes, you might be a stereotyper.
http://www.nba.com/ They have the replay on nba broadband if you click on game highlights of Sonics/Magic.
Sure. Bad influences are, of course, confined to the hip-hop culture.
No, but do everyones kids stay up at night watching stock qoutes? Analyzing Martha Stewarts financial discretions. Or carry around calculators hoping to be execs at Enron or Worldcom? My point is that kids are watching basketball and are into the hip hop culture, so these things have the possibility to influence them.
It's kind of like those Peyton commercials where he is asking all these average Joe's for autographs, All those average joes are possibly breaking the law, but it does not impact kids, cause they don't associate with those ppl or idolize them.
I've always wondered what the ratio is of players from the NBA that get in trouble, or from the NFL, NHL, MLB. Seems to me that while the NBA has the smallest player pool, there is alot more news about it's players getting into trouble with the law than all the other leagues.
Dooling and Allen suspended for fighting
Ray Allen was suspended for three games Friday for his role in a fight with Magic guard Keyon Dooling on Wednesday.
Dooling will sit out five games for the fight and trying to confront Allen after the game.
Damien Wilkins will start in place of Allen on Friday against the Heat in Seattle.
Allen and Dooling got into a scuffle with 10:53 left in the second quarter and Seattle holding a 33-24 lead.
"I definitely regret what happened ... but it seemed as though it was unavoidable," Allen told reporters on Thursday. "It was almost like I was attacked and, you know, I responded in a way that I think any individual, any man or woman, would respond," said Allen, who is known for his calm demeanor.
"Most people thought that I was this kind, even tempered, mild-mannered individual -- and I am for the most part -- but there is a line. My buttons can be pushed."
After Orlando's Jameer Nelson missed, Allen pulled down the rebound and replays showed that he caught a glancing blow in the chin from Dooling's forearm.
At the other end of the floor, the two collided as Seattle ran a set play and Allen appeared to give Dooling a short elbow to the chest. Dooling went running at Allen and pushed him to the ground. Allen got up and tackled Dooling into the first row of seats along the sideline and onto some fans.
The two briefly scuffled and television replays showed Dooling throwing a punch at Allen that did not connect. The two were eventually separated with Orlando's Stacey Augmon pulling Allen away from Dooling.
Underneath the stands, Dooling briefly ran toward the Sonics locker room and was seen yelling at Allen, but team officials and police kept the two apart.
"Basketball is an emotional game," Dooling said on Wednesday night. "Sometimes you don't think, you just react and tonight was one of those nights."
Dooling was scoreless in three minutes of play, while Allen had just one point in eight minutes.
"I thought Ray did the right thing staying on the ground and Dooling came back at him. At some point you have to protect yourself," Seattle coach Bob Hill said.
"I thought Ray handled it as well as he could. And if Ray didn't handle himself that way, I'd say it," he said.
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