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I'm sure Farbricio would have defended Bobby Jackson better, had a hand in his face, than "my arms hurt/can't concentrate too long" Nazr.
That is a dumb comparison. Prince had picked up his dribble on the baseline when he got smothered by Oberto. Nazr was guarding Bobby Jackson with a live dribble by himself. That's why it's called a "mis-match".
And I'll ask again. Where were those "basics" when the Spurs were blowing their lead last night? Where were the "basics" when the Spurs were giving up a dunk to Gasol that almost cost them the game?
I'm sure Farbricio would have defended Bobby Jackson better, had a hand in his face, than "my arms hurt/can't concentrate too long" Nazr.
Total crap. Stats are entirely dependent on the situation you're being put in, what teammates you're playing with, the minutes you get, etc. Plus there are so many things that don't show up on stat sheets, like missed rotations on defense. You can't keep screaming at me about how Nazr's averaging 0.6 rebounds (whatever it is) more than Rasho and tell me that obviously makes him a better player. Maybe Nazr wrestles them away from Tim and Rasho just boxes his man out better so Tim can pick it up. Who knows? Stats are so overrated as a measure of a player's worth.
And turn the caps lock off.
What a re ed ass comparison. I've seen Tim get beat by guards before in mismatches, I guess we should bench his "low BB IQ" ass too.Sean was almost mocking Nazr last night when he was mis-matched on a guard in the corner, had his arms up, the guard danced a little, Nazr dropped his arms, went back on his heels, the guard bombed a 3G uncontested. They even ran it on replay.
As a starter:Total crap. Stats are entirely dependent on the situation you're being put in, what teammates you're playing with, the minutes you get, etc. Plus there are so many things that don't show up on stat sheets, like missed rotations on defense.
Nazr: 1 ring
Rasho: 0 rings
Scoreboard.
This is also one of the dumbest basis for comparison I've ever seen. You're basically saying Nazr's the entire reason we won the championship. I'm sure the rest of the guys would love to hear that. Hold up, let me give it a shot.
As a starter:
Nazr: 1 ring
KG: 0 rings
"Scoreboard". Obviously, Nazr's better than KG. I mean, he has more rings, right?
^^ Dont expect a nice response ag....
This is the 2nd time in this thread someone has come back with this stupid analogy
What the does KG have to do with being the SPURS STARTING CENTER?!?
Simply put...The Spurs have won a championship with Nazr as the starting center and getting the majority of the minutes at that position in the playoffs. The Spurs have ZERO championships with Rasho as the starting center. It shouldn't be that freakin difficult to comprehend.
No one said Nazr is the entire reason the Spurs won a le but he made his contribution and wasn't a weak link. If he was a weak link the guy wouldn't have been on the floor in the 4th qtr of a Game 7 against the Pistons.
I would be careful with that logic. You could say it's worked 3 out of the last 7 years but then you could also say it has not worked 4 out of 7 years. But the Spurs have actually made some pretty ballsy moves that are outside the Spurs box. One is keeping a center that had little time with the team as a starter even after the normal starter was "recovered" from his injury.
I'd also like to address an issue Kori brought up early about glamourizing Nazr's dunks and maybe giving the illusion that he is better. I don't think it makes him better, technically. Rasho is the better technical player. He knows where he is supposed to be. A great "by the book" kind of guy to have around. He can put the star on the Christmas tree without a ladder and probably reach the cereal box from on top of the refrigerator with no problem. But in the playoffs Nazr's aggressivenes maybe brings an extra edge. Even if the dunk is just glamour it brings an intangible that is necessary once playoffs begin. That is worth a lot in playoff basketball. Rasho has traditionally shown a drop in the playoffs.
So despite his deficiencies on D why not start Nazr for a few games and see what he can bring?
So now it`s Rasho`s fault the Spurs didn`t win the championship in 2004?
rasho nor nazr is out there closing a game. closing a game horry is out there with duncan. rasho and or nazr start the game, just because they get some token minutes in the 4th doesn't mean they are out there with under 5 mins left. they are both weak links in that situation, come again.This is the 2nd time in this thread someone has come back with this stupid analogy
What the does KG have to do with being the SPURS STARTING CENTER?!?
Simply put...The Spurs have won a championship with Nazr as the starting center and getting the majority of the minutes at that position in the playoffs. The Spurs have ZERO championships with Rasho as the starting center. It shouldn't be that freakin difficult to comprehend.
No one said Nazr is the entire reason the Spurs won a le but he made his contribution and wasn't a weak link. If he was a weak link the guy wouldn't have been on the floor in the 4th qtr of a Game 7 against the Pistons.
So, thats ballsy for not disrupting team chemistry?One is keeping a center that had little time with the team as a starter even after the normal starter was "recovered" from his injury
Interesting.
LOLEven if the dunk is just glamour it brings an intangible that is necessary once playoffs begin
Now I've officially heard it all......
Nazr played about 2 to 3 minutes in the 4th.If he was a weak link the guy wouldn't have been on the floor in the 4th qtr of a Game 7 against the Pistons.
The rest was Horry and Duncan......
Why stop there? Kerr has five rings, more than Manu and Parker combined, so he's obviously a better player than both.As a starter:
Nazr: 1 ring
KG: 0 rings
Obviously, Nazr's better than KG. I mean, he has more rings, right?
Look, Nazr played the majority of the minutes at center for the Spurs last year in the playoffs. They won a ring.
Rasho played the majority of minutes the prior year, we lost.
No one is saying that the individual players are the sole reason for winning/losing a ring. We are saying that a guy who helped lead us to a ring should be given a chance to prove his worth.
And this will probably go over your head given the great KG analogy you sprung on me, but Detroit is a physical team. That style of play (physical) is something Nazr is better at dealing with than Rasho, bar none. It's not even a comparison.
, take a look at what the two have done in the two meetings with our biggest compe ion for a le (which is what we should be prepping for, IMO):
Rasho: 40 minutes, 5 points, 5 boards, 1 block, 0 assists
Nazr: 22 minutes, 10 points, 5 boards, 0 blocks, 1 assist
Obviously stats don't tell the whole story, but they tell part of it. Like I said, the bottom line is Nazr is more athletic and plays more physical than Rasho.
ing Mohammed around during the regular season because he missed a rotation isn't helping him or this team getting ready for a hungry and damn good Detroit team that we'll be meeting in the Finals, and one Rasho has shown that he can't matchup with.
I wish Pop would play more matchups like he used to - just match people up according to our opponents.
Rasho is great against the bigger centers in the league like Ming. But he sucks against the more athletic types. Nazr is completely the opposite way.
Unfortunately this seems lost on a lot of people, including our coaches.
Something you used to routinely critisize him for......I wish Pop would play more matchups like he used to - just match people up according to our opponents.
Yeah, them there morons might come around, hee yuk.Unfortunately this seems lost on a lot of people, including our coaches.
The fact that this thread has gone on as long as it has prooves how little most of you watch/know what happens off the ball in basketball. Nazr's off the ball play is only surpassed in atrociousness by his on the ball play. He's absolute when it comes to rotating and being an off the ball defender. A man that athletic and that tall should not have difficulty changing peoples shots. It is simply a matter of getting the timing down and Nazr is no closer to doing it this season than he was last season and I see no reason to play him because of this.
On offense, he's a blackhole who makes me long for the days of Maliks pumpfakes because at least Malik could hit free throws and a fifteen-footer. I cringe every time he catches the ball in the post because his lack of footwork is stunning for an NBA player.
Nazr lacks key fundementals which he simply won't pick up! Whether its footwork, rotations, or how to score from 2 feet out he has extreme trouble with it. Rasho isn't an all star, but he's certainly better in many catagories than Nazr at the moment.
free throws yeah.at least Malik could hit free throws and a fifteen-footer.
Fifteen footer??
whoa, no..
Well that was just one part of it. The other was starting Barry in place of Manu. So all of a sudden you have two new starters after losing the first playoff game. Pretty ballsy to me for the normally rigid Spurs.
I didn't realize that was the last thing you needed to hear. Glad I could help, bro. When Rasho brings something to the table beyond the mechanical it will be a sunny day.
It isn't, but its the most idiotic..I didn't realize that was the last thing you needed to hear
mechanical, twice the defender, twice the intelligence.When Rasho brings something to the table beyond the mechanical it will be a sunny day.
But Im willing to give Nazr about a month of 28 to 30 minutes.
See if he has it.
By the end of March if hes still playing like a combination of Malik and Vinny Del Negro,
then Im willing to do any trade not involving Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Bowen, to win.
thats all we are asking for, if his so called "bad rotations" didnt hurt us last year during the playoffs who cares how they affect us now...you never know he might learn it and be a "rasho" defender and the agressive nazr AND WE ALL WIN.But Im willing to give Nazr about a month of 28 to 30 minutes.
See if he has it.
GET A LOAD OF THAT GUY AGGIE2005.
They did hurt us last year during the playoffs. In fact, they hurt the team more than his inability to be a viable offensive option for penetrating guards due to his stone hands.
It's always funny to read posts of guys comparing stats between the person playing against the opponent's first team and the guy playing against the opponent's second team and somehow making a judgment about why the coach, who spends every day with the players, is somehow not as smart as they are.
Nazrs stats STARTING against Det as a Spur: 5pts 6reb
Rashos stats STARTING against Det as a Spur: 2.5pts 2rebs
Are we sure that Nazr would KNOW where the head is and more importantly, to open up mouth to insert head in eso i?If you kicked Nazr in the balls he'd shrug it off and rip your head off and shove it down your throat.
Wait, does Nazr know what is an eso i?
they actually didnt because we WON...YEA!They did hurt us last year during the playoffs. In fact, they hurt the team more than his inability to be a viable offensive option for penetrating guards due to his stone hands
man why you still posting here, and NO! MANNYISNOTGOD!!The fact that this thread has gone on as long as it has prooves how little most of you watch/know what happens off the ball in basketball.
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