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Then they'll get outrebounded by the Pistons by 20 again and again.
Well, getting to his spot is obviously the priority here for the Spurs. Had Nazr figured this out in the past year, we wouldn't be having this discusion. He wasn't getting the job done.
Then they'll get outrebounded by the Pistons by 20 again and again.
IF the two are basically equal with each bringing different positives to the game, give me the aggressive guy everytime. It drives me crazy too when I see passes bounce of Nazr's hands, or he gets too far under the basket or whatever. But the man plays with passion. How many times have you seen a rebound apparently up for grabs and then see those long arms of his go up and rip it out of the air? If I am going to war, I am going with someone who is not afraid of contact as opposed to someone who turns away from the basket to shoot a longer shot. BTW he (Rasho) is not ALWAYS in place on defense and commits a lot of stupid fouls.
It's on Nazr, everyone knows what he needs to do. He just needs to do it.
Rasho/Nazr both have difficulty with foul trouble, their klutziness and stupid fouls about equal.
Didn't Rasho win the poll on who should start. I think most Spurs fans on this forum see the light.
Where are these people when Nazr lays a dud?
Rasho lays plenty of duds. They both do.
But neither is athletic/smart enough to avoid foul trouble and play 36 minutes, and be around for an occasional OT.
Rasho lays more duds than anyone.
at least he doesn't piss off both his teammates and the coaching staff.
What is a "dud"?
*sigh*
As you said, let's be real. Defensive lapses cost points. Setting bad screens and missing rotations cost points. Failing to rotate costs points. This isn't fantasy basketball. You need to be informed before you make comments about the team. That is, if you want to be taken seriously. If you don't like Rasho, just admit that you don't like him. You also need to understand that if you are relying on the center position to put up big stats with this team, they aren't going to win anything anyway. If either center ever plays consistently, they'll be the one in the main rotation. The best part is that the other is always there on the bench.
All I want is for both of them to THROW IT DOWN WITH SOME AUTHORITY when they are within five feet of the basket. They both think they are Tony Parker or Manu when they are close to the rim, and try to lay it up or tear drop the ball. Which looks absolutely stupid when the ball bounces hard off the back board or off the rim. That's what pisses me off about Rasho and Nazr. DUNK THE DAMN BALL!!! The reason why Nazr keeps getting his blocked by everyone is because everyone knows he won't dunk on them. Nazr and Rasho like to take that little 3-5 footer insead of just going up strong and breaking someone's wrist when they try to block the shot! They both are marshmellow soft when it comes to dunking as 7 footers. If they are looking to emulate someone, they both should look at Amare around the rim instead of Parker!
Because the dunk is worth more points. . .
Nazr keeps getting it batted out when he dunks. I've also seen him bounce it off the back of the rim on an attempted dunk. I won't say Rasho's never done anything like that, but if it goes in, I don't care if he prances on his tippy toes and wears a tutu while shooting it from two feet away.
I just don't understand the need to have it dunked. 2 pts is 2 pts.
The bottomline is Rasho can't rebound. I could live with everything else he does (good and bad), but the Spurs can't survive with a center who doesn't rebound. Specifically, it's his defensive rebounding ability that is a problem.
Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes
Tim Duncan - 12.0
Nazr Mohammed - 10.4
Sean Marks - 8.2
Robert Horry - 7.1
Fabricio Oberto - 6.4
Rasho Nesterovic - 5.6
5.6 defensive rebounds per 48 minutes is pitiful. The Spurs can't contend for a championship with a center who doesn't rebound. Rasho is freaking 7-foot-3 and gets less rebounds than 6-foot-7 Fabio who doesn't even jump? That won't work.
Either Rasho needs to start rebounding the ball more or the Spurs have to make a change.
To put into perspective how weak that rebounding number is for Rasho, Manu Ginobili and Michael Finley are tied with him.
And Oberto gets tips that lead to rebounds for teammates, and that doesn't even show up on the stats. He has a great nose for the ball. It seems like Rasho could do it if he made the effort, but maybe there's more to it than that.
You prefer the two footer Vs a dunk by a 7 footer? That's Soft and states anyone can block the shot the next time whomever has the ball in close because they like shooting bunny shots. And it usually happens with Rasho and Nazr. If they have a reputation as a hard dunker, no one is going to challenge the dunk in fear on putting them on the line for an extra free throw. i.e Shaq, Amare etc. etc.
True, he gets A LOT of tip outs. He's very smart.
If you consider all aspects of the game, I'd say Rasho is a better basketball player than Nazr. But a center that doesn't rebound just won't fly in the NBA. Rasho could be the best defensive center in the league and set the meanest picks around, but if he rebounds the ball like a guard, the team is dead.
Rasho's got a cute grin, though.
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That magic number would be Rasho's high game this year for rebounds.
Considering that he's had 17 games in which he's played at least 25 minutes, it's pretty pathetic.
How many 7 footers that have started over half an NBA season can't pull at least one double-double? , I don't even want to talk about points...how about a night with 10 boards? I wonder if that's ever happened in the history of the league where a starting center can't get a single 10 rebound game in over half a season?
I don't care if Rasho's usually in the right place. . .you can put a cardboard dummy in the right place. . .if you can't approach the game with any energy you probably shouldn't be in there.
I posted a few weeks ago that Rasho was probably the lesser of two evils compared to Nazr, but I'm changing my mind. Even with all of Nazr's shortcomings he seems to bring more effort to the table, and has more natural skill. I hope he's given enough minutes to help build his confidence for the playoffs.
Here is a classic stat
Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes In January
Tim Duncan - 11.8
Nazr Mohammed - 11.5
Fabricio Oberto - 7.2
Sean Marks - 7.1
Robert Horry - 6.8
Bruce Bowen - 5.5
Michael Finely - 5.1
Melvin Sanders - 5.1
Rasho Nesterovic - 5.1
stats extrapolated to over 48 mins are pretty worthless. don't get me wrong, nazr is a better rebounder, but...
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Extrapolate that.
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