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This is bull . Where is Mengke Bateer?
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I'd say over the course of the Spurs history, even going back to the old Dallas Chaps (I went to a few of their games as a kid), that Malik Rose was the most important player off the bench from a longevity standpoint. He was the first "big" off the bench for many years, toggling between David and Tim through 2003, and he really contributed more to the Spurs' success in the playoffs in '99 than did Will Perdue (Pop sat Will the entire Knicks series). Only until Robert Horry beat Malik out, did he not have the role of 1st "big" off the bench in Pop's rotation after 1999.
If you were to give an NBA Playoffs Spurs' 6th Man Award, I would have to say Jaren Jackson in '99, Manu Ginobili in '03, and Robert Horry in '05. Malik Rose, however, was a consistent 6th man over the course of at least 6 seasons (1998-99 through 2003-04).
Just from a sheer energy and key contributor "6th man" standpoint, I would also want to mention Mike Gale - who backed up Jimmy Silas. That guy could really play and he played defense, too. Also Coby Dietrick and Paul Griffin were major contributors off the bench for 3 or 4 years - Coby had starter's minutes some of that time.
The Spurs didn't really have any consistency off the bench in the '80s.
Steve Kerr deserves special mention because, like Robert Horry, he did a lot of little things to help the Spurs in the first two championships. A key steal, hustling down a long rebound, spacing the floor, hitting timely shots to turn momentum. It was all there. There were at least 3 playoff games I can think of in '03 where the Spurs just flat-out would not have won without Steve (@ Dallas, @ NJ and then again at home vs. NJ. Not to mention he played a major role in the Rodeo Road Trip success filling in remarkably well for the injured Speedy Claxton.
Malik gets my vote.
That's a good list there.
Oh, no! Then what's Jimmy Chang doing?
Rose has the longevity + postseason success. I'm not sure why Kerr gets any cred for '99. He was an awesome mascot back then, though.
Who is Jimmy Chang?
It's irrelevant how many rings he won. I don't care about Robert Horry's first five rings, and I don't care about Steve Kerr's first three. The only ones that count to me, and that are relevant to this conversation IMO, are the ones they won with the Spurs.Yeah Kerr won how many rings??
That's 2 for Malik and 2 for Steve Kerr. So, you have to consider something else besides the number of Spurs Championship rings they have. In that case, based on overall contributions, Malik wins, hands-down.
P.S. I think timvp's list is pretty much right on the money. The only changes I'd make is to switch Chuck Person and Will Perdue.
He was the guy the Spurs hired to translate for Bateer in 2002-2003. Basically, he was just a guy who knew a little hoops and could speak Mandarin. And he got front-row seats for most of the year.
I remember that some guy was for translation but you remembering his name is wow
I always wonder why so many people think we are a damn cowtown, everybody loves a crappy player (Mailik) and think he is god. The guy hustled yes, but he could not shoot if a freakin gun was put next to his head.
We I mentioned Kerr it was because he hit some clutch shots in Game 6 of the 03 West Finals, so Kerr won us that game. How many games did Malik win in the Clutch?? I think it was zero.
Next thing you know we will want his jersey retired along with Avery's, if these things ever happened the Spurs would be the laughing stock of the NBA. Only in SA would crappy players be thought of so much.
I know why people always think we are a "damn cowtown". Posts like that
This thread isn't about the most clutch player it was about the best bench player ever. Outside of that one offseason Kerr amounted to very little in SA, save for an engaging personality.
Malik came up huge in the postseason several times, as pointed out above. Maybe he didn't hit a late shot but the Spurs certainly benefited from his play in opportune times in playoff series. In a number of games he provided scoring and double digit rebounding totals. He played well when called upon to start due to DRob's iffy back.
He was also a rotation mainstay as the primary bigman reserve for years, putting up numbers that the Spurs' current two top centers would be hard pressed to duplicate.
All you offer is a couple of games in one postseason in which Kerr was important as well as a flurry of insults. I guess you need the insults to make it seem as though your point is valid. Frankly it just makes those who disagree with you all the more correct.
Only in SA would Spurs fans hate those who were so valuable while propping those up who weren't major contributors.Next thing you know we will want his jersey retired along with Avery's, if these things ever happened the Spurs would be the laughing stock of the NBA. Only in SA would crappy players be thought of so much.
Um, Jaren Jackson in the 1999 playoffs did more than Kerr did in his four years as a Spur. Kerr shot 27% in the 1999 playoffs and made seven shots in the 2003 playoffs. In the regular season, he was pretty horrible save for a stretch in the 2003 season.
What Spurs Basketball were you watching?
was mario elie a starter? I do not remember.
Originally I would have said Horry because I think he is a solid player despite he insane ability to hit the big shot---(or have an once in a lifetime quarter in our case)
I will also admit that I am not a Malik fan, I never was but after reading some of the arguments I think my vote would have to go his way.
Talk about hyperbole...Jackson had a handful of games in the '99 playoffs and that was it. Period.
For you to try to boil down Kerr's contributions to "seven shots" while inflating Jackson's 1-2 game streak makes me wonder "What Spurs Basketball were you watching?"
What did Kerr bring besides some timely shooting in the WCF and Finals in '03?
This isn't a discussion about who was the most clutch Spur ever, it's about who was the best bench player ever.
I didn't have to boil anything down. Steve Kerr hit seven shots total in the 2003 playoffs. He played a total of 40 minutes IN THE ENTIRE PLAYOFF RUN.
Jaren Jackson played 350 minutes and had as many three-pointers made as Kerr had minutes played. You can't even compare the two. And Jackson had a lot more than "1 or 2" good games.
Lets compare their career stats.
Malik 6.2 PPG 4.5 REB
Avery 8.4 PPG 5.5 Asst
Kerr 6.0 PPG
So you are telling me if we retire Malik and Avery's numbers it would be ok? Geez they did not end their career averaging double digits in points, Kerr was a good player, and would pick him over AJ and Rose in a heartbeat.
Spurs fans amaze me.
When did this discussion ever become one about number retirements? It's about the best bench player ever in SA. Kerr didn't average 6.0 pts a night in SA. AJ wasn't a bench player much in SA. Rose consistently produced for the Spurs across 5 seasons as the primary bigman reserve and that included bringing it in multiple postseason series. Kerr didn't come close to having that kind of production in SA. All he had was one offseason in which he hit 7 big shots and then another offseason in which he was a non-factor. Embarrassingly so. I distinctly remember Greg Anthony leaving Kerr with the rock wide open in Game 2 of the '99 WCF.
It's hilarious how many people have it so in for Malik that they are willing to ignore the fact that Kerr AS A SPUR hit only 7 shots in the 2003 playoffs and still say he contributed more than Malik did LIFETIME.
What the , why not bring Louie Dampier into it, then?
Kerr's living off his stint with MJ among Spurs fans.
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