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    That's part of the point.
    Exactly, so why not move the team here when you can get all revenue and a stadium and probably the same attendance?

    They probably will have to pay a rental fee to the county, something around a million.

    Don't underestimate the guaranteed revenue that is already in place for years to come without attendance.

    This is exactly why the Spurs are interested.

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    Sure SA is a pawn. If not to get Miami to cough up a better deal then for some other market to do so.
    What better deal? A deal can't be worked on.

    The threat, if there was one, to Miami is the Marlins being granted to search for relocation sites. Now the Marlins are talking about coming back to see the city again. They've past any post of just threating Miami into a better deal.

    Read up on the what the problems with the Marlins and Miami are instead of barf up the same over and over.

    When are the Saints coming back?
    When Tags or Jerry Jones die.

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    Exactly, so why not move the team here when you can get all revenue and a stadium and probably the same attendance?

    They probably will have to pay a rental fee to the county, something around a million.

    Don't underestimate the guaranteed revenue that is already in place for years to come without attendance.

    This is exactly why the Spurs are interested.

    Nah, it speaks to why Miami currently has a franchise in each of the major pro leagues and SA only has one.

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    Yep, more expense.
    300 million via hotel-motel users and another 100 million from the Marlins should make for a mighty fine stadium.

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    Nah, it speaks to why Miami currently has a franchise in each of the major pro leagues and SA only has one.
    Miami has an NHL team? Since when?

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    What better deal? A deal can't be worked on.

    The threat, if there was one, to Miami is the Marlins being granted to search for relocation sites. Now the Marlins are talking about coming back to see the city again. They've past any post of just threating Miami into a better deal.
    Then SA is a pawn in finding a more desirable locale to relocate to.


    Read up on the what the problems with the Marlins and Miami are instead of barf up the same over and over.
    When you offer something other than "San Antonio is the bestest city ever" let me know.


    When Tags or Jerry Jones die.
    Right.

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    Nah, it speaks to why Miami currently has a franchise in each of the major pro leagues and SA only has one.
    First of all, Miami has a few more recreational/social options than a river.

    Sporting events might not be a priority to the local government.

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    Then SA is a pawn in finding a more desirable locale to relocate to.
    Last time I checked Hawaii wasn't part of the search.

    But you're right.

    Portland seems... wait, they can't get funding nor will they try (using public money)

    Las Vegas.... well, that's not happening.

    Norfolk... yeah, that's way more desirable.


    When you offer something other than "San Antonio is the bestest city ever" let me know.
    I'm trying to figure out when I ever did offer that to begin with.

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    I am curious as to why the good Judge didn't float this plan publically when the Saints were sniffing around for a deal. I'd bet somebody a hamburger that if Benson was offered a $300 million retrofit of the Alamodome, he wouldn't have let Tags lead him by his ear back to New Orleans nearly as easily. Notice how the Saints stopped making noise about the same time the Mayor went public with his "we'd love to have you, but you're not getting our money, Tom" statement.

    It would have been an easier sell than MLB.

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    Taking this onto another tangent:

    Assuming SA got a baseball team, would it be the best thing for the fans that it be owned by the Spurs?

    Wouldn't the incentive to produce a championship-level product on both sides be maximized by having the franchises owned by competing en ies, rather than a single fiscally-conservatie monopoly?

    Or, to put another way, would owning a MLB franchise give the Spurs ownership less incentive to work on being successful in the NBA?

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    I am curious as to why the good Judge didn't float this plan publically when the Saints were sniffing around for a deal. I'd bet somebody a hamburger that if Benson was offered a $300 million retrofit of the Alamodome, he wouldn't have let Tags lead him by his ear back to New Orleans. Notice how the Saints stopped making noise about the same time the Mayor went public with his "we'd love to have you, but you're not getting our money, Tom" statement.

    It would have been an easier sell than MLB.
    Because money for the stadium is coming from the County and the county was talking to MLB (Marlins) before the Saints came into picture.

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    I am curious as to why the good Judge didn't float this plan publically when the Saints were sniffing around for a deal. I'd bet somebody a hamburger that if Benson was offered a $300 million retrofit of the Alamodome, he wouldn't have let Tags lead him by his ear back to New Orleans. Notice how the Saints stopped making noise about the same time the Mayor went public with his "we'd love to have you, but you're not getting our money, Tom" statement.

    It would have been an easier sell than MLB.
    Even though this is a good idea, I don't think a real opportunity was ever available. The Saints were here because of Katrina. The NFL, the state of Louisiana will break the bank to ensure that the Saint Legend lives on in New Orleans at least for one more year. It's important to that region.

    Now whose to say a year from now Benson is ready to roll to SA, then the offer is presented?????? hmmmmmmmm... that seems like a likely occurrence.

    I fully expect it to happen.

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    Taking this onto another tangent:

    Assuming SA got a baseball team, would it be the best thing for the fans that it be owned by the Spurs?

    Wouldn't the incentive to produce a championship-level product on both sides be maximized by having the sports franchiseownned by competing entries, rather than a single fiscally-conservatie monopoly?

    Or, to put another way, would owning a MLB franchise give the Spurs ownership less incentive to work on being successful in the NBA?
    I doubt the Spurs would have a controlling interest in the Marlins if that is the team that comes, Loria will not sell the team.

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    I doubt the Spurs would have a controlling interest in the Marlins if that is the team that comes, Loria will not sell the team.
    Still doesn't answer my question.

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    Taking this onto another tangent:

    Assuming SA got a baseball team, would it be the best thing for the fans that it be owned by the Spurs?

    Wouldn't the incentive to produce a championship-level product on both sides be maximized by having the franchises owned by competing en ies, rather than a single fiscally-conservatie monopoly?

    Or, to put another way, would owning a MLB franchise give the Spurs ownership less incentive to work on being successful in the NBA?
    I don't think so. To me, its all about the players. It was pure luck that the Spurs got David Robinson and Tim Duncan. The rest of the pieces were done by creative drafting, free agency signings and trades.

    The is only one champion every year.... Imagine if sometime in the next 10 years, SA won a World Series? That would be incredible, but hey.... seems like most of you all don't want to take a chance????????

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    Still doesn't answer my question.
    would owning a MLB franchise give the Spurs ownership less incentive to work on being successful in the NBA?
    They wouldn't have a controlling interest in the Marlins.

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    Because money for the stadium is coming from the County and the county was talking to MLB before the Saints came into picture.

    Back then there wasn't an agreement in place for an exclusive negotiating window between the County and the Marlins that anybody has reported. It probably would have been a good negotiating tactic to offer it to the Saints too.

    On the other hand, there can really be only three explanations for this. Either there was an exclusive negotiating period, the current uproar about MLB is just posturing (who's up for re-election in the County this year?), or the County didn't want to see the NFL in San Antonio. It just doesn't add up that the County would be willing to drop $300 million and spend the political capital for MLB, but not the NFL.

    interesting...

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    Back then there wasn't an agreement in place for an exclusive negotiating window between the County and the Marlins that anybody has reported. It probably would have been a good negotiating tactic to offer it to the Saints too.

    On the other hand, there can really be only three explanations for this. Either there was an exclusive negotiating period, the current uproar about MLB is just posturing (who's up for re-election in the County this year?), or the County didn't want to see the NFL in San Antonio. It just doesn't add up that the County would be willing to drop $300 million and spend the political capital for MLB, but not the NFL.

    interesting...
    Because the county isn't going to put the measure (300 million) up for vote unless they know the team is serious.

    , this isn't even a done deal. All it is, is the funding is in place should the Marlins pick San Antonio.

    That vote isn't being put on the November ballot unless the county knows for sure the MLB is serious in picking San Antonio.

    No way would the County done this with all that uncertainty behind the Saints.

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    I can't see 60,000 to 70,000 showing up day in and night out for Baseball in San Antonio.
    I can't see S.A. leading the Majors in attendance over the Yankees by 10,000-20,000 either

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    I can't see 60,000 to 70,000 showing up day in and night out for Baseball in San Antonio.
    WTF? How did I miss that?

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    I think SA, New Braunfels, San Marcos, Helotes, etc. could support a MLB team but I doubt this is going to happen.

    I mean, wtf? is the Marling going to announce now that in 3 years they are moving to SA?

    That would be attendance suicide.. wouldn't it?

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    That common in sports. Look at the Nets.

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    i think this city can use another pro team. in fact, were the only top 10 most populated city in the US that has only one professional sports team

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    Miami has an NHL team? Since when?

    I wrote "major pro leagues". Sunrise isn't that far away. Miami also has a major DI NCAA program.

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    When teams talk about needing a new facility to "maximize potential revenue streams" they're mainly talking about lux boxes and club seating - things that the average fan can't afford to buy a season at a time.
    That's a key component. The Alamodome currently does not have adequate luxury suites. It's run by the city. The city has already made it clear that they (we) will not pay up. An MLB stadium will require fewer luxury suites. Pricewise what a full MLB season cost per suite compared to a full NFL season I don't know. But the assumption is that the corporate base in San Antonio is currently strong enough and will continue to grow enough to support a second team. Also, the average fan can buy a $5-10 seat in the upper level or SRO sections for a baseball game.

    I'd like to have a football team here, too. But San Antonio was passed over last decade for NFL expansion. And the NFL has no plans to expand, does note have SA in it's radar and would deal again with a city unwilling to upgrade whether that means renovation or new football stadium. Only an act of God brought pro football here. But if a pro baseball team comes knocking at my door to see if I might be interested i'm gonna invite them in for a drink - or two.

    "I saw him at the Argyle (Club) the other night," Wolff said, "and some guys there were saying, 'Maybe we shouldn't go for baseball if it precludes us from getting a football team.' Red was there and he said, 'That's (expletive). Go for what you can get.'"
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    Doubter's are part of the game. They'll show up at the voting booth. Good luck to you.

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