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    You think Brad Miller is worth 11 million a year?
    Don't tell me you are going to try to argue that Rasho's contract is a better deal than Miller's.

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    Don't tell me you are going to try to argue that Rasho's contract is a better deal than Miller's.
    The compounding factor is passing on Howard in the '03 NBA Draft to ensure there was enough cap $ to sign Nesterovic...

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    how much does rasho make?

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    I still don't know why we have to pretend the Spurs aren't a business and that owners like to make money. There is only one GM in the league who has carte blanche to add as much payroll as humanly possible, and that just happens to be the 2nd worst team in the league.

    The Spurs are willing to pay the tax if they feel the investment is worth it. The Spurs signed Finley knowing they would go over the tax threshold and were willing to sign Tim Thomas once he became available. I agree the threshold for determining player's worth is higher and we aren't parking players on the IR to develop them, but what has really changed? I guess you could argue Melvin would be so much better because he practiced more with the team, but then you get to compare that with PT in the minors.

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    how much does rasho make?
    Rasho is in the midst of a 6-year, $42M contract.

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    how much does rasho make?

    About $6.7 mil this season. After that he has 3 years and $23.7 mil coming to him.

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    Only T Park would rather pay Rasho $7M a year rather than paying Brad Miller $9M a year.

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    The compounding factor is passing on Howard in the '03 NBA Draft to ensure there was enough cap $ to sign Nesterovic...
    With hindsight, you can turn every nba team into the best of the league.

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    The compounding factor is passing on Howard in the '03 NBA Draft to ensure there was enough cap $ to sign Nesterovic
    Now wait on that.


    The original target was Jermaine O'Neal.

    Now if they had gotten O'Neal, you wouldn't be bothered by that WHAT SO EVER.

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    With hindsight, you can turn every nba team into the best of the league.
    It's relevant because Pop and Tim wanted Howard. RC wanted cap space.

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    Only T Park would rather pay Rasho $7M a year rather than paying Brad Miller $9M a year.
    Id rather pay 11 for Jermaine O'Neal.

    Id rather give 8 for PJ Brown.


    Brad Miller is way overpaid as is Nesterovic.


    Only you would read into my comments more than I read into yours.

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    Hindsight is even more galling when you consider that Nocioni would be a Spur right now if someone had gotten his age right.

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    Id rather pay 11 for Jermaine O'Neal.

    Id rather give 8 for PJ Brown.


    Brad Miller is way overpaid as is Nesterovic.


    Only you would read into my comments more than I read into yours.
    Rasho at $7M a year or Miller at $9M a year.

    Pick one.

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    Only T Park would rather pay Rasho $7M a year rather than paying Brad Miller $9M a year.

    i like brad miller, but wouldn't our d have been less effective with him the middle? or do you think the offensive dividends would make the difference meaningless...

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    Oh well, all they need is to be able to pull off the Barry for Smith deal in the offseason and maybe Sanikidze pans out...

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    Hindsight is even more galling when you consider that Nocioni would be a Spur right now if someone had gotten his age right.
    Great point.

    I remember someone saying that the other day, it damn near made me hurl on my keyboard.


    Rasho at $7M a year or Miller at $9M a year.

    Pick one
    Brad at 9


    HEY,

    Go back and look at the archives,

    and look who I wanted to sign that summer.

    Brad Miller, Vohson Leonard, and Stephen Jackson, END OF SUMMER.

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    i like brad miller, but wouldn't our d have been less effective with him the middle? or do you think the offensive dividends would make the difference meaningless...

    Rasho's D isn't that great. Miller's passing skill plus J would be a nice fit in the Spurs' O.

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    i like brad miller, but wouldn't our d have been less effective with him the middle? or do you think the offensive dividends would make the difference meaningless...
    With a bit of teaching, Brad would've been just as good, but twice the player on the other end, twice the rebounder, and if they had gotten him?

    Wed be talking about 4 in a row this year.

    EASILY.

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    It's relevant because Pop and Tim wanted Howard. RC wanted cap space.
    Every team makes mistakes.
    In 2001, Boston almost drafted Parker.
    Parker was ready to go on the podium, an official said him that it was good.
    And finally, they drafted Joseph Forte.
    Rasho was a 11/8 player this year and even if Pop and Tim wanted Howard, you can't say that nba staffs expect that he will become a great player since every team passed on him.

    I don't say it's not a mistake but that it's understandable.
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    Rasho's D isn't that great. Miller's passing skill plus J would be a nice fit in the Spurs' O.
    rasho's d is pretty good. there is a notable dropoff when nazr is in the game. i agree miller's passing and j would be good, but i don't know if the difference in defensive ability would be worth it.

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    Come on leemajors, you know better than to argue with timvp, Peter and TPark about Rasho's D, right? Cause Rasho is less useful than dirt on the court and Nazr Mohammed is an offensive god and defense by the center on a defensive team is less important than the garbage offense our centers get.


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    Apparently Nesterovic translates into "Ben Wallace" in Slovenian.

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    I still contend that Holt isn't cheap, just a good businessman.

    If signing another player would have translated to 4-5 million in taxes- then who out of the crop of players that everyone mentioned here would have been worth 4-5 million? You think paying Rasho 6 million is bad, trying paying 4 or 5 million for Melvin Sanders.

    I also ask- who on the list of season-long pickup that have been suggested would have been the difference maker in any of the 14 losses?

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    Sanders wouldn't have cost that much. As it stands he would've cost an extra $400K assuming they had signed him for a 1 year, minimum deal.

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    ok jackass, no one has ever mentioned rasho in a league with wallace defensively. rasho, however, is a very good defender in the spurs system and is leaps and bounds above nazr defensively. i agree he is overpaid, but you can't blame him for that. unfortunately, you seem to be too dense to comprehend that.

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