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And the Columbus Day Parade! And Oktoberfest!
Like those goddam traitors at the St. Patrick's Day Parade!Waving anyone's flag, other than our own, is stupid and intimidating to
many.
And the Columbus Day Parade! And Oktoberfest!
Who many times and by how many posters has xray been owned in this thread?
I'm guessing May 1st would be a bad day to choose to go eat Mexican food.
I'd be all for opening the floodgates if for every legal immigrant you brought in, you would throw out a Teamster or etc.
And you know that with 100% authority, for no other reason at all except that you are Extra Stout, master of all knowledge in all things.
The reason that the numbers of Mexican landowners who were disposessed of their land is relatively small is because many sided with the Anglos, and there werent just that many of them to begin with.
Go look at a land map of deep south texas... Hidalgo, Starr, etc and you can still see the relics of the Spanish land grant in "Porciones".
Okay, i'll look at this map you speak of. Say, by the way, before I take a gander at it, care to tell me who made this map?
Or better yet--Who wrote the land ownership records, who do ented the whole of land transitions and acquisitions in former Mexico as we see them today?
I'm sure it was do ented by the Texas Republican government and then their records were accepted and modified in 1845 by the US government. Today the state keeps land ownership records and uses "sections" as units for most of the state (this is a square mile/640 acres) but for some of south Texas the Original Porciones are still used.
I actually know people who have ranches that originated as Spanish Land grants to their ancestors.
i hate defending the old fart, but he's not complaining about "mesicans" waving their flags on cinco de mayo, but at rallies demanding that we don't enforce our laws and that they are here to stay. SO spare us you're two cent sarcasm.
As for his point, its that even though we've had worker programs since the 30's, there will be a time when we cannot support a large underclass, who is taking it's toll on healthcare and social programs.
We are a nation of borders, and there's a reason why the law is on the books. We cannot support every single person coming in roughshod into our shores and borders.
To deport them would be drastic, but we need to actually start massive deportations to send a message that we actually are serious. OR else why else do we have a ing agency down south that acts more like a host for a labor sweepstakes than an immigration enforcerer.
LEt me ask you something, what happens if we start all of the sudden recieving more cuban immigrants, do you think the democrats wont think twice about using the ins to send them back? they did that to Elian.
And what if all of the sudden we start having a massive flooding of Indian nationals and Arabs come to this country and totally wipe out americans from computer industries to management and other white collar jobs, because they are willing to work for less. It's happening in Europe, and they are now having problems with assimilation. Look at france for example. ANd don't think that we are far off.
Look at houston texas, if one visits there one will subtley notice that we have an illegal immigration problem with Vietnamese, thai, laotian and many other ethnic asians. If we start having a large influx of asian immigrants, it will be the mexican lobby who will complain about the problem since they will have to compete with the vietnamese ultra cheap labor force.
I mean, why should we have laws? Why should we care that are hospital bills are going up and that the medical industry and hmo's are under financial stress, and that our prison populations are humongous. 29 percent of the prison population is illegal.
Not to mention, Los angeles. They have a huge never ending gang problem because of all the salvadorean and mexican illegals coming in and having no place to turn to in those streets.
Cubans are already given special status, so that's a poor example. You might want to google "Mariel boat lift" to see what Democrats did with 125,000 Cubans in one summer.LEt me ask you something, what happens if we start all of the sudden recieving more cuban immigrants, do you think the democrats wont think twice about using the ins to send them back?
I actually have greatgrandparents, whose settled family land was taken from a very well known south texas oil, ranching and business family in early 1900s because they were "mexican" and the land had oil and was benefitial to their ranching operationsI actually know people who have ranches that originated as Spanish Land grants to their ancestors.
not one ing thing was done, a lawsuit that lasted 70 years and died nowhere
the family name gets put on everything down here, the halls i walked in school, half the mansions, the donations, the benefactors in this city and thats how they made their fortune
shameful
cbfs family too
March today!
No one owns this old man. And no man should be owned.
And for those who think displaying a flag during a celebration is equal to
one demonstrating against ones government, you show your idiocy.
xray, I said this earlier on this subject.
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"waving the mexican flag"
This is a great misconception. I can understand the arguement against, about waving the Mexican flag, but people need to understand why Many of them are doing that. Of course there are some that get a little wild, but most are doing it to show support for their people who you all want to stop from coming here and wanting to throw them back to Mexico.
Most are Not doing it out of disrespect to the U.S., they want to live here.
It may seem stupid to you and many, and it may even seem stupid to many latinos here, but we have to understand that it has More to do with them supporting the Mexican immigrants who are Not wanted. That's what the flags are for, whether it's a good choice or not to wave them, that's why they are doing that. So, please stop with this nonsense already, and try and understand what They really mean by it.
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Come with us and March today xray, I invite you. These people want to be American like you.
The mexican is like a symbol of cultural iden y. But it's real stupid to waive the mexican flag simply because the country is worth .
There are atleast a 30 percent of those protestors who are almost a little too radical in their "mesican power" aztec warrior bull .
^^No thank you. I will not support the illegal entry of people in this country.
There are ways to come legally. They may not be easy, but the illegals just
make it harder for those who want to come legally. I do not support the
legalization of people who came here illegally. It was tried once before and
this is what it got us into. It will only compound the problem. Enforce the
work laws and they will have to leave, we will not have to bus them back.
Besides SA210, it is not just a Mexican problem, which so many on this board
want to make it. It involves all races White/yellow/brown/black. No one on
this board seems to realize that. It is just that the Mexicans have made it
seem like it is their problem alone. Sorry I don't/wont support them.
The Mexican-descent population of Texas around the end of Mexican rule was around 5,000. The Anglo population was around 30,000.
The stealing of land from Hispanic landowners in favor of well-connected Anglos with oil interests in the early 20th century is a gross injustice, but it is a domestic one, not an international one.
Waving flag is symbol for Cultural iden y, yes. And yes, they are fleeing Mexico because it is worth ***.
But also to show support for their people in this great debate. And there are almost a small number of radicals in protests.
Come on down today gtown. March with with us.
Xray, this protest asks for a clear path to legalize immigrants, Not for them to be and remain illegal. They want to be Americans, legally.
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True, there is a difference between wanting to stay here and work, and wanting to undo the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and restore Aztlan.
But the latter is just silly anyway, and only the most radical of activists even entertain the idea.
It is a uniquely Mexican problem because Mexico is the only third-world country with which we have a land border. We don't have a significant problem with illegal Canadian immigration. And immigrants from any other country have to get through a seaport or airport, rather than sneaking through the desert at night.
I understand that completely. And I am opposed to it. Do it legally,
do not come here illegally. Wait your turn and not screw over your
fellow countrymen who want to do it the right way.
How would you like someone to come into you house uninvited, stay as
long as they like, take your job and then tell you go ask your neighbors
and friends for money to take care of my medical needs, educate my
children. That is wrong and rude, is it not?
I love how xray just doesn't get it.
Who took Your job Xray, and what kind of job was it?
Conservatives can rant all crazy and mad about this all you want, but what you don't realize, is, that if you get this Bill passed, you WILL have lost The Hispanic vote, no doubt about it.
Thereby guaranteeing a Dimm-O-Crap run government.
Be careful what you ask for. Have you been watching the national news all morning? Do you see the Hundreds of THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of latinos and other immigrants who are very pasionate about this and outraged, marching the streets across America? Put it on Faux and MSNBC.
And it's just the beginning of the day. Most Marches start later on at 2pm and 5pm and later. MILLIONS. This is The largest immigration demonstration in our countries history Today, and another on May 1st. This is an historic time in America.
Do you know one of the things they are all chanting?
"Today We March, Tomorrow We Vote!!"
They Will organize like this and GREATER once your Bill is Passed and Will vote, and You can say goodbye to a Republlican-run country.
Period.
Last edited by SA210; 04-10-2006 at 12:06 PM.
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