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oops sorry Kori....
I did not see your previous post.
A few questions.... When I was in that age group I didn't go around asking all the other girls how old they were... I probably would have gotten slapped.
First off, I don't know the cir stances of that party, but it seemed like a high-school party... what was a 12 year old girl doing there???... the context implies she might have been flirting around (though it's not a given)... either way, many girls at age 12 have already gone through enough of the physiological changes that transform their bodies to look like that of 14 and 15 year olds.... This trend has been observed and do ented over the past few decades (that children, particularly females, are entering puberty far sooner than the generations preceding them)...
Anyway.... we would have to consider that this could be one of those cases.
oops sorry Kori....
I did not see your previous post.
I used to call my husband all kinds of when we fought ... white-trash, asshole, bas ...whatever. That doesn't automatically mean I hate white-trash, bas s or whatever....just that I was seriously pissed off and would yell out the nastiest things I could think of while I hurled things to hurt him.
That's why, from the original article...I wouldn't jump to conclusions and use that as matter of fact that it was a race issue. It could very easily been the insinuation of the police officer or journalist (who didn't know the boys personally, btw). The second article obviously makes it a lot more clear...when they talked to the kids/neighbors that actually knew the boys.
Making it a cut & dried case of a hate crime based solely on the first article is seriously jumping to conclusions...you have nothing to base anything on but an article le a journalist made up.
I hope those boys rot in .
Great post SW
If you read my posts and timvp's post, you would realize that timvp completely disregarded the racial aspect, not leaving it open at all.
And I agreed that of course many cases could have other possibilities, but the fact is he disregarded it as racism completely was mind boggling, especially given the extent of their crime and obvious hate and what the article focused on, racism.
You can't read the first article and then think it was 100% racially motivated. If you think you can, you have the reading comprehension of a turnip.
But yeah, good to see SA210 celebrating over the fact that these were in fact skin heads. And also, a 10th grader going out with a 6th grader is pretty trailer park in my book ... although that's a thread for the political forum.
Word.And also, a 10th grader going out with a 6th grader is pretty trailer park in my book
I live in trailers most of the year, and thats trailer to me...
I too noticed his joy in these being racists.But yeah, good to see SA210 celebrating over the fact that these were in fact skin heads.
Good to know thats how he rolls.
You can't read the first article and then think it was 100% racially motivated. If you think you can, you have the reading comprehension of a turnip
Stop being a little biotch. I disregarded the racial aspect after reading the first article. Since you obviously can't read, this whole conversation is too far over your head.
Just keep celebrating they were nazi's or whatever. Classy poster we got here . . .
I'm celebrating? And you claim I have the reading comprehension of a turnip?
You can't read the first article and then think it was 100% racially motivated. If you think you can, you have the reading comprehension of a turnip.
But yeah, good to see SA210 celebrating over the fact that these were in fact skin heads. And also, a 10th grader going out with a 6th grader is pretty trailer park in my book ... although that's a thread for the political forum.
It's not about believing it was 100% racially motivated from the initial article. It's that you 100% disregarded it being racially motivated by reading the initial article.
The extent to which these boys would hate someone to beat him to where he might die any minute now, that they hated him so much that they took the time to sodomize him, then to pour bleach on him, then to leave him in the backyard overnight for dead. That is a driven hate. This is a fact that was in the 1st article. What could have driven this kind of hate?
You chose to ignore that the article stated that is was racially motivated and these were your words. There is no way around it.
yay, we found racists!!!!!
I have a preconceived notion of what Spring is like, so it was easier for me to glean the racist motivation without seeing the second article. The first article didn't go quite as much into the details of the beating.
In S.A., it's less obvious, because in S.A. if you yell at a Southsider for peeing on your lawn, he'll call you a racist.
I wonder if that STUFF would fly in P.A.T.
Again. I disregarded it based on the first article.
Are you really this stupid?The extent to which these boys would hate someone to beat him to where he might die any minute now, that they hated him so much that they took the time to sodomize him, then to pour bleach on him, then to leave him in the backyard overnight for dead. That is a driven hate. This is a fact that was in the 1st article. What could have driven this kind of hate?
There are horrendous crimes all the time that aren't racially motivated or could be considered "hate crimes". Do you know what a hate crime is? This case turned out to be a hate crime. But take the exact same cir stances and change the motivation to something other than race, then it wouldn't be a hate crime.
Just because it was a horrible crime doesn't automatically make a hate crime.
Again, there were no facts in the article that it was racially motivated. It only mentioned that as an opinion of the writer.You chose to ignore that the article stated that is was racially motivated and these were your words. There is no way around it.
Got damn you're dumb.
You see I would agree with that, only thing is this little quote from the 1st sentence of that article.
White teens accused of brutal racist attack
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/27/te...k.ap/index.html
SPRING, Texas (AP) -- Two white teenagers severely beat and sodomized a 16-year-old "Hispanic" boy who they believed had tried to kiss a 12-year-old "white girl" at a party, authorities said.
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Now considering that race has been mentioned, by authorities by the way and that the authorities were considering hate crime charges as well, but the boy had not died yet; it is not that far fetched to believe it being racially motivated as a possibility.
You disregarded it completely.
Other than the fact that the writer mentions what authories said. And the fact that the kids were using racial slurs, so then after knowing that it could be racially motivated, then the extent to which the boys displayed their hatred toward the boy after this being a possibility, then it does make it pretty possible, especially to the point that one shouldn't ignore it completely.
Yea, someone would be pretty dumb to come to that conclusion.
I dunno Kris,Damn I haven't seen that kind of pwnage since Sequ holding the booster chair
thats owned about as much as one can be owned.
Read my last post. Ownage denied.
It's pretty obvious who the ones celebrating are.
SA210,
The first article wasn't really all that obvious. If the tagline had said, "SAN ANTONIO, Texas (AP) --" I would have shared L.J.'s and Kori's skepticism.
is this thing on?
The point is it was mentioned and he ignored it as a posibility completely.
You're blowing it out of proportion. He expressed his opinion based upon what limited facts he had. He's not some freaking politician who has to hedge everything he says.
I know what S.A. is like. I'd had LULAC personally come after me accusing me of being a white supremacist in order to protect a Hispanic kid who had ed up. They'll tear down anybody's reputation because they and similar organizations make their livelihood as race-baiting victim-pimps stirring up that same-old Northside vs. Southside woe-is-us crap. 90% of the racism accusations in that town are fabricated political bull . After a while, one pretty much assumes they -- and the media -- are crying wolf again until more facts come out.
This part of the state is totally different, with real-life violent redneck white supremacists once you get out in the boonies.
I understand what you are saying, but the article spoke of racism and what the authorities said, then he disregarded that completely as a possibility.
That's the point, and by the way, many others have posted in here agreeing that it was obvious enough to not disregard racism as being a possibility.
What is so difficult to understand?
An article can make mention of race and imply racial motivation, but if it doesn't give any support other than the races of the parties involved and racial slurs during a fight, that is NOT enough to conclude 100% that it was "racially motivated".
Details that establish a preponderance of evidence would include skinhead affiliation, Nazi tattoos, previous violent history... none of which were included in the original article.
Fortunately, this is an example of an article that was correct to link race to the story. But you can't blame people for being skeptical in a time where a black girl accusing white athletes of rape becomes a bigger race issue than a rape issue.
The authorities felt it was important to mention to the the Press that it was because he tried to kiss a "white girl" and they were thinking about whether to file "hate crime" charges, but the boy hadn't died yet. And of course the brutality of what they did after knowing the racial implications and racial slurs helps to give some kind of an idea.
That's what the authorities were focused on, not any of the other crap some of you would like to bring up. It didn't even say they were trying to find out if maybe it was something else.
Nuff said.
Then stop talking.
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