My problem with Tony Parker

[Kori Ellis]

Defense is definately a problem and rebounding BUT Bonzi had a game out of his mind lastnight. If he has ANOTHER game like he did lastnight then I would be concerned but I don't think he'll play that well throughout the series.

Did you miss game two when Bonzi had 28 points and 12 rebounds or game 3 when he had 19 and 14?

[ducks]

ame Min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
B. Bowen 29 2-6 1-3 0-0 0 2 3 1 2 0 3 5
T. Duncan 32 7-11 0-0 3-6 0 8 2 4 0 0 4 17
R. Nesterovic 23 3-4 0-0 0-0 1 2 0 0 0 1 3 6
M. Ginobili 24 1-4 0-2 1-1 1 3 2 1 0 0 2 3
T. Parker 34 10-20 0-1 2-2 0 1 1 3 2 0 1 22
M. Finley 17 1-7 0-3 1-3 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 3
N. Mohammed 17 1-3 0-0 6-8 4 7 0 0 0 0 5 8
R. Horry 15 2-2 0-0 0-0 0 2 0 3 0 0 1 4
B. Udrih 13 3-10 1-2 1-1 1 1 2 1 0 0 1 8
B. Barry 25 2-3 1-2 3-6 0 2 2 0 2 0 1 8
F. Oberto 5 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0
S. Marks DNP - Coach's Decision
N. Van Exel DNP - Coach's Decision
Totals 234 32-71 3-13 17-27 7 31 13 14 7 1 21 84
Percentages: .451 .231 .630 Team Rebounds: 14


beno was 3-10

why is he not a ball hog when tim had 11 shots?
mike was 1-7 you wanted him to shoot more then tp last night?

[implacable44]

Actually he only missed 5 jumpers unless you are counting a 9 footer.

So he was 4/9 on jumpers and 6/11 on layups/runners.

You can complain about game 3 if you want -- that's justified. But don't complain about game 4.

I can't complain about 1 assist from the point guard? I am supposed to accept Yinka Dare type numbers from the PG ? I am supposed to be resolved to the fact, that altough he is talented - he doesnt create shots for anyone on the team ?

[implacable44]

ame Min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
B. Bowen 29 2-6 1-3 0-0 0 2 3 1 2 0 3 5
T. Duncan 32 7-11 0-0 3-6 0 8 2 4 0 0 4 17
R. Nesterovic 23 3-4 0-0 0-0 1 2 0 0 0 1 3 6
M. Ginobili 24 1-4 0-2 1-1 1 3 2 1 0 0 2 3
T. Parker 34 10-20 0-1 2-2 0 1 1 3 2 0 1 22
M. Finley 17 1-7 0-3 1-3 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 3
N. Mohammed 17 1-3 0-0 6-8 4 7 0 0 0 0 5 8
R. Horry 15 2-2 0-0 0-0 0 2 0 3 0 0 1 4
B. Udrih 13 3-10 1-2 1-1 1 1 2 1 0 0 1 8
B. Barry 25 2-3 1-2 3-6 0 2 2 0 2 0 1 8
F. Oberto 5 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0
S. Marks DNP - Coach's Decision
N. Van Exel DNP - Coach's Decision
Totals 234 32-71 3-13 17-27 7 31 13 14 7 1 21 84
Percentages: .451 .231 .630 Team Rebounds: 14


beno was 3-10

why is he not a ball hog when tim had 11 shots?
mike was 1-7 you wanted him to shoot more then tp last night?

a lot of benos shots came in the 4th when the game was OVER

[implacable44]

The haters don't want to talk about that. They don't want to be confused with the facts...their minds are made up. All they want to talk about is Tony, the Devil Incarnate.

well said micheal moore -

actually the facts are being discussed.

[pache100]

well said micheal moore -

actually the facts are being discussed.

The facts are being refuted. I guess you can call that "being discussed".

[Que Gee]

My problem with Tony Parker is he's a point guard who wont pass. Every game I start yelling at the television because a shooter comes off a screen wide open but TP holds on to the ball and dribbles another 10 seconds off the clock, or instead of moving the ball and spreading out the defense, he takes it into the paint where the defense collapses so he's forced to try to kick it out to the perimeter though traffic where it's easily picked off. I have no problem with him attacking the basket and getting layups or hitting a teardrop runner, but he needs to stop taking jumpers and start passing the damn ball.

He will never be a truely great point guard until he starts making the players around him better...He doesn't.

[implacable44]

The facts are being refuted. I guess you can call that "being discussed".

what are the facts as you see them ? I see a PG who refuses to create scoring opportunities for his team. I see the supposed best defender in the game getting lit up no matter who he guards - I see the Spurs getting out rebounded, out-coached, out hustled, and scared. Did you see Manu's face last night ? scared player -

the spurs need to put bonzi wells on the floor - the spurs need to play with some heart and get into the mental aspect of the game. somebody needs to get inside bonzi's head because he looks like barkely out there - dominating. TP needs to create scoring opportunities for the shooters this team has and tim needs a lot more of the ball.

[ducks]

tp is doing what pop told him to do

maybe next game pop will tell tp to get duncan going earlier and see if he can get the fings in foul trouble




if the spurs attack the basket they can get ron and wells in foul trouble ....

[pache100]

what are the facts as you see them ?

"As I see them" has nothing to do with it. Kori, timvp, , even Ducks has posted facts just on this page (I didn't even go back to the other pages in this thread) that have been rejected. Are you reading the thread?

[Thekid]

Did you miss game two when Bonzi had 28 points and 12 rebounds or game 3 when he had 19 and 14?

Game two he fouled out and the Spurs won! Game three, while he played well the Spurs were in the game and if NOT for a turnover by Manu they win that one too. LASTNIGHT was the first time his hard work and everything completely demoralized the Spurs.

[implacable44]

The facts are being refuted. I guess you can call that "being discussed".

some of these "facts" are what you believe the facts to be -- there are others who believe that there are different "facts" - hence I want to know the facts as you see them Einstein

[ducks]

so 3 solid outings is nothing to worry about because last night was the only one they got beat bad by and game 3 was lost because of a bad turnover at a very bad time

[pache100]

some of these "facts" are what you believe the facts to be -- there are others who believe that there are different "facts" - hence I want to know the facts as you see them Einstein

I quit talking to people whose solitary goal is to insult people. That seems to be the road you are going down. You can pick on someone else now.

[ducks]

some of these "facts" are what you believe the facts to be -- there are others who believe that there are different "facts" - hence I want to know the facts as you see them Einstein

what do you call a a fact?

do you say for a fact tp hit 4 jumpers last night?

[implacable44]

I quit talking to people whose solitary goal is to insult people. That seems to be the road you are going down. You can pick on someone else now.

I am not intending to insult you, I apologize for the sarcasm - i thought it would be better received by you ( didnt you refer to someone as a clown ?). I seriously want to know.

[implacable44]

what do you call a a fact?

do you say for a fact tp hit 4 jumpers last night?

Kori said he was 4 for 9. I counted 4 for 10.

[tomati 9]

Come on ! you're just pathetic.
tp shots 10/20 (50%) not 9/33 like VC or Arenas.
Maybe tp takes 20 shots because others guys disappear (what's the % of mike, bruce or manu). If Tim wants to shoot more he says to tony "give me the ball, I'm the go to player". He did not do that ! Why ? because he is afraid of tp ? Come on guys, don't forget what tony parker did for the San Antonio spurs during the last five years, stop saying bull on tp because you're frustrated by manu play level this year
I'm tired about tony haters ! You are not real spurs fans

[ducks]

so you are counting the 9 footer
she said it was 4-9 if you did not count the 9 footer



is it a fact wells has been a rebounding machine for the kings?

[Spurminator]

If we must count, we should also consider that his three-pointer was shot as the shot clock expired.

[pache100]

I am not intending to insult you, I apologize for the sarcasm - i thought it would be better received by you ( didnt you refer to someone as a clown ?). I seriously want to know.

Ok, how far back do you want me to go? (I can't believe I'm doing this when it's all right there for anyone who can read)

parker got 10 assist in one game but still tp was not good enough in that game either
he got the green light from pop
what was mike and manu shooting % last night manu was 1-4 that is right 25%
tp needs to balance shooting and assist out but the o is fine

Rebounding.

Bonzi Wells.

I am still waiting on names of players who shot jumpers better then 46% since the allstar break

Yeah jumpers outside 16 feet.

Similar to the two 20-footers he knocked down in the first quarter yesterday.

He hit four jumpers yesterday. Two 20-footers in the first quarter.

Parker isn't infallible. Sometimes he still gets tunnel vision. Sometimes he still sucks from the outside. But he's really not a primary problem right now.

and made 4
so he was 4-10 from jumpers
missing 6+4 means he shot 10
he made 4
therefore he was shooting 40% for jumpers
which spur player shot better then that yesterday with jumpers?

Oh well, are we going to blame Tony each time he misses a shoot? Everyone missed, at every game! Tony has the better percentage in the team.
Let's talk about rebouds, which is the biggest problem of the Spurs so far. Let's talk about Manu who blows half of his games.

Actually he only missed 5 jumpers unless you are counting a 9 footer.

So he was 4/9 on jumpers and 6/11 on layups/runners.

You can complain about game 3 if you want -- that's justified. But don't complain about game 4.

My problem with Tony Parker is he's not a long three who can guard Bonzi Wells.

Did you miss game two when Bonzi had 28 points and 12 rebounds or game 3 when he had 19 and 14?

tp is doing what pop told him to do
maybe next game pop will tell tp to get duncan going earlier and see if he can get the fings in foul trouble
if the spurs attack the basket they can get ron and wells in foul trouble ....

(Note: Geez, I can't believe I'm quoting Ducks...don't think I've ever done that before... ...j/k, Ducks)

[implacable44]

Come on ! you're just pathetic.
tp shots 10/20 (50%) not 9/33 like VC or Arenas.
Maybe tp takes 20 shots because others guys disappear (what's the % of mike, bruce or manu). If Tim wants to shoot more he says to tony "give me the ball, I'm the go to player". He did not do that ! Why ? because he is afraid of tp ? Come on guys, don't forget what tony parker did for the San Antonio spurs during the last five years, stop saying bull on tp because you're frustrated by manu play level this year
I'm tired about tony haters ! You are not real spurs fans

what has tony done the last 5 years? every year in the playoffs he gets replaced and loses playing time because he is ineffective - steve kerr -- beno -- lets not forget that disappearing act he did against the Lakers after a few hard fouls.

TD should not have to tell the french guy to pass him the ball -that is the point guards primary role - DISTRIBUTE - put people in scoring opportunities- he should know his teammates strenghts and weaknesses - he should know where td likes the ball and when - he should know where barry likes to catch the rock to get his shot off - same with finley. he should know these things. -- but he doesnt. he knows speed and how to score.

[ShoogarBear]

Just accept that there's a certain sad segment that lives solely to dump on TP--win or lose, no matter what the facts are--and move on.

[pache100]

what has tony done the last 5 years? every year in the playoffs he gets replaced and loses playing time because he is ineffective - steve kerr -- beno -- lets not forget that disappearing act he did against the Lakers after a few hard fouls.

There you go destroying any credibility you had again. Steve Kerr played very limited minutes. People remember his big shots and think he played a lot, but he didn't. Who do you think got the team to the point where Steve (or God forbid, BENO) hit anything? Why don't you just admit you hate Tony Parker (who IS the Spurs as much as anyone else) and get on with your life so the rest of us can do the same?

[ducks]

T. Parker 43 8-16 0-1 6-7 1 4 10 game 2
10 assist I think he knows how to pass

how come no one bashed tp for taking 16 shots this game ?

especially shooting 7 free throws to?????