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I can't understand why they vote for Ben Wallace every year. Ben Wallace is good but a four-time DPOY? Bowen should have won it at least once or twice.
yea he will be 78 years oldI hope that Bowen will someday win defensive player of the year award, but he is aging so the possibility is slim.
I can't understand why they vote for Ben Wallace every year. Ben Wallace is good but a four-time DPOY? Bowen should have won it at least once or twice.
That's like saying, "The Bulls are good but 6 time Champs? The Jazz should have at least won it once". You're either the best or you're not. Close doesn't count. You don't give the 2nd place guy (though very good in his own right) the award just to "change it up".I can't understand why they vote for Ben Wallace every year. Ben Wallace is good but a four-time DPOY? Bowen should have won it at least once or twice.
Malone/Barkley ran into Jordan for les. Bowen ran into Ben Wallace for DPOYs.
NBA les are not decided by voting, awards are.
Malone is a 2-time MVP because he "stole" one from MJ, when the Bulls won "only" 69 games. It illustrates my point: voters DO vote for the second best in order to "change it up". In Bowen's case, I think he deserves a DPOY award.
I don't think Ben Wallace is a better defender than Bowen. But they are just two types of defender which can't be compared directly. So I am not so sure whether it is fair to give Ben 4 DPOY awards.
If Greg Popovich would just grow out some corn-rows, and Tony Parker would release a sex tape with Eva the Spurs would be on TV more often than a McDonald's commercial. Oh yea, and Bowen should help to instigate the most embarrasing event in NBA history like Wallace did. And Artest. I see this bullcrap, and suddenly I'm not so supportive of the "if the Spurs don't win the Championship, at least the Pistons should win it, because they're such a classy franchise", B.S. I'm now reverting back to, "I want the Spurs to win just so the NBA can suck it once again." I think I prefer the seasons where the Spurs win no league awards yet stick it in Howard Stern's side and twist it by winning the Championship. GO SPURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BRUCE WAS ROBBED!!!!!!!!!!!
That is all!
You must be talking about how LBJ didnt score a single point in the second half, guarded for a while by none other than Ben Wallace himself.Complete and utter bull . Can someone send them the video of today's second half? You know, the second half where a supposed MVP candidate gets shut the down?
I admit that Bruce was a very powerful defender and he deserves a lot of credit for his defense this year but I agree with the pick.
Bruce has to be on the first team all-defense this year and that will be his 6th time selected, 3 times on the first team and 3 times on the second team. If he weren't on the 1st team that would be an insult but it shouldn't be considered an insult to finish with what will most likely be the 2nd highest vote total. IMO.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...by_player.html
Bowen was jobbed, but Im not complaining.
I think you will find the voting was very close (not that it matters).
Regardless, Ben changes the opposing teams tendencies completely. You might watch alot of Piston games, but not nearly as much as we Piston fans do. How many times is it blatantly obvious the guy shooting a baby-hook adjusted his shot because he knew Ben was around? It happens at least 10x a game. Players are weary of where Big Ben lurks.
So, yeah, I think Bowen deserved his due. I really believe he would win it (and deservedly so). But he didnt. Ben did. Cant say Im too pissed either.
Bruce Bowen deserved at least as much consideration as Ben Wallace. But, giving Ben the DPOY in no way means that it was a travesty. Bruce Bowen shuts down individual players. Ben Wallace shuts down entire teams.
Top ten in the league in blocks, steals, and rebounds.
Bruce makes a player change the way he plays. Bne makes entire offenses change their entire schemes.
I think Bruce deserved it this year. But, there's no way you can sincerely say Ben doesn't deserve it, even compared to Bruce, if you view it objectively.
Oh, and Spurs fans say that Bruce Bowen is the hardest worker don't know enough about Ben Wallace. Something that subjective is hard to measure. But, there is plenty of opinions that no one works harder than Ben Wallace on and off the court.
Something that subjective is hard to measure. But, there is plenty of opinions that no one works harder than Ben Wallace on and off the court.
Does that include not going back into the game recently?[U][I]
It is far harder to guard a perimeter player with the new rules, period and BB is the best.
Bowen was robbed end of story, and 2nd should have been Duncan and 3rd either Artest or Mourning. Wallace should have been 4-6. Team defense was down by Detroit and Wallace is big part of that.
Chew on that one Pistons homers = in the paint Duncan is and has been as good as defender as Wallace all year long. ESPN insider has had several articles stating correctly Duncan NOT Wallace is better interior defender.
Plus Mourning and Camby at times this year outplayed Wallace in the paint.
This voting is a joke, end of story.
Duncan may not be a "showy" but is every bit as good if not better than Wallace and has been for years.
By the way, Shaq will eat Wallace alive in next round! (Had his way with him last year and if Wade not hurt, adios,Pistons)
Last edited by Rummpd; 05-08-2006 at 09:46 AM.
Everyone,
Signs at next game on Tuesday:
"BRUCE, You're our REAL DPOY!"
So one instance of Ben not being a team player means he doesn't work hard? Kicking an opposing player in the back, getting a technical, and then subsequently getting lit up by that player to lose the game ... well, let's just say every player has his moments. Stop hating.
Duncan AT TIMES is a better interior defender than Ben Wallace. That is only arguable at best. Ben Wallace is better ALL AROUND defender than Tim Duncan. Ben is more mobile. Ben plays the pick-and-roll better. Ben is more active in getting steals. Ben is a better shot blocker than Duncan. Ben is a better weakside defender. Even if it's true that Duncan is a better interior defender than Ben, that's only one aspect of defense that Duncan is only arguably better than Ben. Refocus, Rummpd. Your argument stinks. Just like your first round game 3 playoff predictions.
And, talking about Camby and Mourning outplaying Ben is no surprise. You probably look at blocked shots and use that to make a conclusion. Just like Bruce's intangibles aren't always taken into consideration, you fail to recognize how many deflections a game Ben makes that don't end up on the stat sheet. Or, the number of altered shots that don't end up being blocks. Or, a step in front cut off to force a player to not go all the way to the rack or pass it out.
Rummpd, you are as short-sighted as the voters you criticize.
Thankfully, your opinions don't matter. And, quite honestly, often times you were overtly wrong.
Teammate Rasheed Wallace became animated and extremely vocal in his mock surprise when asked about Wallace's fourth defensive player of the year award.
"They gave that #$$@ to him again?" Rasheed Wallace said, loud enough so that Ben Wallace could hear as he exited the locker room. "Ah, dog, that's felonious. It's felonious. Fe-lone-e-us. He was not even in my top three. Honestly, they only gave it to him because we the Pistons."
Ben walked past, shook his head and said, "With guys like that in your corner ..."
That last line by Sheed is classic
Bowen Shouldve Won Defensive Not Wllace There Just Haters Out There I Hope Bowen And The Spurs Prove A Point
Go Spurs Go Win Or Lose I Still Love My Spurs
This post delivers.
/sarcasm
Did he say WE were being homers? Because that post was dripping with homerism.
Did we actually have to start a brand new thread for this, newbie?
DPOF? What's that, Defensive Player of Forever?
Post of the year
Da Pinnacle of Finese?
Everyone,
Signs at next game on Tuesday:
"BRUCE, You're our REAL DPOY!"
That would Rock!
Big Ben is valuable and the fans on this site are well aware of that. I think a lot of the criticism is misplaced anger for Bowen never being recognized. That's an emotional response that is natural and understood, but one that I think leaves it unclear how much convincing can be done of Ben Wallace deserving this award.
That being said, Wallace just had one of his most important seasons for the Pistons. If I had to rank his defensive impact in terms of his seasons in Detroit, this is right behind 2001-02 and 2003-04. If there were an argument to be made he didn't deserve to win this award, it was last season. I'd rank that as the worst year for this team. He never seemed like himself on the basketball court.
This has been my favorite year watching him. He's smarter than he used to be. He doesn't play to the crowd like he used to. There was no one smiling bigger when talking about Chauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton making the All-Star Game. He's blown his top when the team has left him on a defensive island, something he never did in previous seasons.
And if you're looking for stats...
- He's was top-ten in the 3 major defensive catergories (4th in rebounds, 9th in blocks, 10th in steals).
- He was number one in the league in offensive rebounds (301).
- He set a career-high in steals (146).
- Surpassed 7,000 career rebounds (7,479 - 65th all-time)
- Surpassed 1,500 career blocks (1,600 - 24th all-time).
Side-note: This has nothing to do with this post. But since I was cruching the numbers, I thought perhaps some of you would like to know that Tim Duncan is 52nd in all-time rebounding (8,020). He's also 20th in blocked shots (1,690).
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