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  1. #101
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    Look at the tape. Wallace charged Ron Artest, and had to be restrained, and that started the whole chain reaction. Wallace should have been tossed right then, then Artest would not have had to go to scorers' table, where he was in range of the fans.
    Weak. Like "I've fallen and I can't get up" weak. Like coffee brewed with cold water. Like Coors Light. Weak weak weak.

    I can understand hating Sheed, with the mouth he's got on him (and that's the ONLY reason I can understand hating Sheed. Mouth aside, he's class.) But hating BEN? Weak. He tweaked once and shoved another player; big deal. If he hadn't, you would have found an even weaker reason to feebly hate him.

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    Weak. Like "I've fallen and I can't get up" weak. Like coffee brewed with cold water. Like Coors Light. Weak weak weak.

    I can understand hating Sheed, with the mouth he's got on him (and that's the ONLY reason I can understand hating Sheed. Mouth aside, he's class.) But hating BEN? Weak. He tweaked once and shoved another player; big deal. If he hadn't, you would have found an even weaker reason to feebly hate him.

    Ok, I admit that I hate him for taking Bruce's DPOY award every damned year...year after year after year....ok?????


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    Finally! I knew there had to be an actual reason, lol. That I can understand

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    Despite Manu's flopping, I love him as a player.

    Even if Bruce plays dirty sometimes, I love him as a player.

    How could anyone hate Tim Duncan?

    Tony Parker and his ball and chain can be annoying ... off the court. But, I don't hate him as a player.

    And, I have been a huge fan of Nick Van Exellent since his Cincinnati days.

    No one else on the Spurs roster make me love or hate them either way as players. I'm more apathetic to them if anything.

    Rasheed is not an asshole. He's a loudmouth, y professional athlete. He's like Terrell Owens or Jeremy Roenick or Pedro Martinez in terms of personality. But, the difference is Rasheed on the court and in the lockerroom as a player is an unselfish teammate. Sure he has a loudmouth and says some outrageous things, but that's his personality. Since he's become a Piston, you can't really hate him for what he does on the court, except for the technicals he gets for arguing with officials, and many times that's based on reputation. To me, it shows how passionate he is about winning. If you don't like him, that's your prerogative. But, if he was on your team, I suspect you would love his fire and you would laugh at the things he says. Not every pro athlete can be a drama free choir boy like Derek Jeter or Grant Hill. And, we even see with Kobe Bryant, that that image is often times just a media protrayal that is not really genuine.

    As for Ben Wallace, he was wrong for not going back into the game in Orlando. You won't find many players who haven't made mistakes like that before. Ben should have known better. But, somehow, that incident has only fueled the Pistons. No one, including Flip Saunders and the coaching staff, made a big deal out of it. Ben was making a statement in as much as he was wrong in order for the team to play better. Bad way to lead, but essentially leading it was. I don't condone it or justify it. I only say that the end result has been positive, though the action was not. And, other than that one incident, what else can you say about Ben Wallace that would even remotely justify hating him? The guy goes on the court and works his tail doing all the little things no one else wants to do. He is generally quiet, doesn't talk much smack at all, and he is the foundation of the Pistons success for the last five years. Understanding why anyone would hate Ben Wallace is very hard to do. And, if you want to re-hash the whole brawl thing, fine. Ben over-reacted. But, don't say Ben started the brawl. As much as it has been discussed over the last two years, you have to get over it. Ben over-reacted to being fouled in a blowout game with about a minute left in the ballgame. Over-reaction was not the cause of the brawl. Ben charging Artest did not make Artest go into the stands. It was an overreaction to a foul. You could argue that Bruce Bowen over-reacted to being fallen on by Ray Allen. Ray Allen did not end up going into the stands and fighting fans. Had he done so, would you argue Bruce started it? Of course not. I hate to talk about the brawl again, but people who still blame Ben for the brawl are just reaching for an unfounded reason to hate on Ben. Jim, you know you're better than that.

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    I just think the Pistons are cheesy. Ben's inlove w/himself and his afro, the way Rasheed talks and acts like a child, Hamilton's mask to protect his delicate nose, the championship belts, the cheesy announcer, etc.

    But I guess, ppl can say Spurs are cheesy too.

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    It's alright. Since the pistons have no super stars, have no good looking guys, and most importantly, had some fans started the brawl, I can understand why people hate them. I love the pistons. I love the way they play, I love their chemistry. I am getting used to people attacking them by saying how rude they are, how ugly they are, or how lucky they are. I am getting used to it, and I don't care anymore.

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    They are a little cheesy in their antics, I can admit.

    There aint a damn thing cheesy about their play though.





    PS. I hate "wrastlin", er go, I hated the belts.

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    Detroit is the only that scares me. I'm bummed that they have the HCA this year.

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    It's alright. Since the pistons have no super stars, have no good looking guys, and most importantly, had some fans started the brawl, I can understand why people hate them. I love the pistons. I love the way they play, I love their chemistry. I am getting used to people attacking them by saying how rude they are, how ugly they are, or how lucky they are. I am getting used to it, and I don't care anymore.
    You forgot good-looking girlfriends (and the smack meter gets turned up a notch).

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    Ok, I admit that I hate him for taking Bruce's DPOY award every damned year...year after year after year....ok?????

    Now that, I can totally respect.

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    The pistons will lose to either the mavs or spurs. The west owns all.
    if the pistons lose to someone it sure as wont be the mavs.

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    if the pistons lose to someone it sure as wont be the mavs.

    No . Mavsfan, you haven't earned the right to talk smack about the Spurs or Detroit.

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    if the pistons lose to someone it sure as wont be the mavs.

    haha it's funny Ron Artest stuck around even after Kings series. Plus he's making sense now

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