Bruce Bowen earns sixth consecutive All-Defensive Team honors

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JamStone speaking of flaws you're saying Duncan wouldn't have been considered as great, saying it's likely he could have been surpassed in the history books by Malone and Barkley becuase he might not have won any les. Remind me, exactly how many les did Malone and Barkley rack up? Talk about flawed logic. Now if you were using this logic and talking about McHale at least you wouldn't be totally off the wall.

You want to put Duncan on some scrub team? Okay put Joprdan on the Clips of the 90's. Would he still be considered GOAT? Does that mean he was not as good?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Pot meet kettle...

[DarkReign]

I'm not saying the would've, but to say the wouldn't is wrong also.

If you put TD on that team with a yound DRob and prime Alvin and young Sean. That probably would've been one of the top 3 best defensive teams to ever play the game. They would've given any team a run for their money.

Right after Lambieer hit all 3 of them with an elbow in the mouth?

Different eras is my point. Mahorn, Rodman, Budha, Lambier wouldnt allow guards in the trees. So, you take Alvin and Sean right out of the equation.

youre left with Duncan vs Rodman.

Rodman > Rasheed Wallace. See the point?

[DarkReign]

JamStone speaking of flaws you're saying Duncan wouldn't have been considered as great, saying it's likely he could have been surpassed in the history books by Malone and Barkley becuase he might not have won any les. Remind me, exactly how many les did Malone and Barkley rack up? Talk about flawed logic. Now if you were using this logic and talking about McHale at least you wouldn't be totally off the wall.

You want to put Duncan on some scrub team? Okay put Joprdan on the Clips of the 90's. Would he still be considered GOAT? Does that mean he was not as good?

Youre an asshole. Thats definative. Its called natural progression. Jordan learned from the Pistons. Remember that.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Here's some good conjecture for ya: If Bowen was listed at the position he actually plays, SF, he would not have led in the coaches voting...

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You think Lambier would intimidate Robertson. Alvin was a badass mother. Lambier would be spitting blood. On O Alvin would neutralize Dumars. Mahorn and Rodman would shutdown themselves. Lambier would be covered on the outside by Elliott. That leaves Thomas to get shots from the outside and go into the paint agaisnt Duncan and DRob. Pistons would be struggling to keep up with a potent Spurs offense.

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Here's some good conjecture for ya: If Bowen was listed at the position he actually plays, SF, he would not have led in the coaches voting...

Here's some conjecture for you. On defense Bowen takes whatever perimeter player is likely to hurt or is hurting the Spurs the worst, PG, SG, SF, even guys like Dirk, Bosh, Randolph. And not just on a switch like Ben Wallace but for entire quarters or more. He is simply the most versatile defender in the league.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

You think Lambier would intimidate Robertson. Alvin was a badass mother. Lambier would be spitting blood. On O Alvin would neutralize Dumars. Mahorn and Rodman would shutdown themselves. Lambier would be covered on the outside by Elliott. That leaves Thomas to get shots from the outside and go into the paint agaisnt Duncan and DRob. Pistons would be struggling to keep up with a potent Spurs offense.

First, Elliott wouldn't even be on the team. Second, Rodman came off the bench for Aguirre...

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First, Elliott wouldn't even be on the team.

It's my fantasy so off.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

It's my fantasy so off.

Exactly.

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Besides if I don't get Elliott I'm making the trade the Spurs passed on which would have landed the Spurs Barkley form Philly. You want apiece of that team? DRob, TD, Barkley, Robertson and Strickland?

[JamStone]

JamStone speaking of flaws you're saying Duncan wouldn't have been considered as great, saying it's likely he could have been surpassed in the history books by Malone and Barkley becuase he might not have won any les. Remind me, exactly how many les did Malone and Barkley rack up? Talk about flawed logic. Now if you were using this logic and talking about McHale at least you wouldn't be totally off the wall.

You want to put Duncan on some scrub team? Okay put Joprdan on the Clips of the 90's. Would he still be considered GOAT? Does that mean he was not as good?

EXACTLY my point.

Yeah, put Jordan on the Clippers. Perfect example. And, NO, Jordan would ABSOLUTELY NOT have been considered GOAT UNLESS he won all those championships with the Clippers.

THAT IS MY POINT.

You are assuming Ben Wallace's defense would not be recognized as much as it is today in the day of better centers such as Zo, Dikembe (arguable anyway), Dream, and D-Rob. Well, I'm assuming Tim Duncan would not have been considered as good a power forward when compared to Barkley and Malone in their day. My assumption is as credible and probable as yours.

Understand yet?

[JamStone]

You think Lambier would intimidate Robertson. Alvin was a badass mother. Lambier would be spitting blood. On O Alvin would neutralize Dumars. Mahorn and Rodman would shutdown themselves. Lambier would be covered on the outside by Elliott. That leaves Thomas to get shots from the outside and go into the paint agaisnt Duncan and DRob. Pistons would be struggling to keep up with a potent Spurs offense.

So now the Bad Boy Pistons wouldn't be able to keep up with the mighty D-Rob-Elliot-Alvin Robertson Spurs??? My gosh, how rose colored your glasses are.

You mean the same Pistons team dismantled the SHOWTIME LAKERS, arguably the most potent offense in the history of the game??? The one with Magic, Kareem, and Worthy? But, those Pistons couldn't touch ALVIN ROBERTSON????

Riiiiiiiight.

[JamStone]

Here's some conjecture for you. On defense Bowen takes whatever perimeter player is likely to hurt or is hurting the Spurs the worst, PG, SG, SF, even guys like Dirk, Bosh, Randolph. And not just on a switch like Ben Wallace but for entire quarters or more. He is simply the most versatile defender in the league.

Bruce is an awesome defender. But, he's not God. Stop worshipping him like Snoop Dogg groupie backstage.

http://www.nba.com/games/20060306/SASLAL/boxscore.html

Kobe 43 points on 53% shooting, defended mostly by Bruce.

http://www.nba.com/games/20060326/SASSEA/boxscore.html

Ray Allen 33 points including 8-13 after being kicked by Bowen.


Bruce is great. He's amazing. But, get off his nutsack. And, Andrei Kirilenko, Kevin Garnett, and Ron Artest are more versatile defenders than either Ben or Bruce.

[strangeweather]

EXACTLY my point.

Not that you're wrong at all, but I think the horse is not only dead but in small pieces at this point.

[JamStone]

Corso,

If you weren't a diehard Spurs homer, you would likely agree that KG, AK47, and Artest are more versatile defenders than Ben or Bruce. Better? Probably not. More "VERSATILE"? Sorry, but they are.

[JamStone]

I'm sorry I only watch playoff basketball!

Perfect.

So you did watch what Bonzi Wells did to Bruce Bowen in the first round.

I'm glad we agree.