Funny how you only see the game called one way

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And I'll be around here long after the series is over. You don't have to worry about that.

As if the prospects of losing to Dallas isn't bad enough.

[leemajors]

Ah yes, the Internet messageboard standard of having to have "class" to be acceptable. So generic...

He put up a guarantee. An idea that the Spurs WILL WIN this series. I'm just calling him out on it. Let's just say I'm testing his faith. If he really believed in his team, he'd take it without any qualms.

And I'll be around here long after the series is over. You don't have to worry about that.

way to beg the question. i didn't say anything about having to have "class" to be acceptable, i was merely noting your lack of class. you don't see me on this board dogging mavsfan1000 about how he was claiming diop and dampier could shut down duncan totally, do you? there is no need to. if the mavs win the series, he is wrong. you're merely proving yourself to be a childish asshole trying to show him up by making a statement of faith about his team. when someone calls you out on it, you try to be condescending and sound even more foolish. kudos.

[mFFL03]

While that is an exaggeration, every Spur fan should just admit the truth. The Spurs players do fuss over the officials more than any other team. That dumbfounded look on Duncan's face, Ginobili spinning around with his arms outstretched, etc. We all know the routines, and we do see each of them several times a game.

Thank you for acknowledging! I actually believe that this is hurting the spurs more than helping. The refs in the end will blow the whistle at the THOUSANDS of possible fouls per game to the players they come to respect more.

[SpursWoman]

While that is an exaggeration, every Spur fan should just admit the truth. The Spurs players do fuss over the officials more than any other team. That dumbfounded look on Duncan's face, Ginobili spinning around with his arms outstretched, etc. We all know the routines, and we do see each of them several times a game.

THEY ALL DO IT!

No player on any of the 30 teams in the NBA has ever committed a foul!

Good God. There is NO WAY you can quantify any team doing it more than another. I know Timmy does it ... but if you'll also notice that a lot of them also go talk to the ref and have them explain what they did wrong....he's even talked about that...and they've even mic'd it before. So it's not all whining.

Did you see the expressions on all the MAVS faces every time they committed a foul? They are no different.

[mFFL03]

THEY ALL DO IT!

No player on any of the 30 teams in the NBA has ever committed a foul!

Good God. There is NO WAY you can quantify any team doing it more than another. I know Timmy does it ... but if you'll also notice that a lot of them also go talk to the ref and have them explain what they did wrong....he's even talked about that...and they've even mic'd it before. So it's not all whining.

Did you see the expressions on all the MAVS faces every time they committed a foul? They are no different.

yea....we have expressions 100% of the time.....that doesn't give us the right to go up to any ref and have a law & order session.

[SpursWoman]

yea....we have expressions 100% of the time.....that doesn't give us the right to go up to any ref and have a law & order session.

Huh? Players go to the refs all of the time when they disagree. ALL of them do it.

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[GermationSensation]

Two games pretty much decided by bad calls.

1) Dirk steps on Duncan's foot and Tim "fouls" out
2) Phantom fould on Bruce Bowen to tie up the game and send it to OT


I may be a little biased, but Charles Barkley isn't.

Barkley has hated the Mavericks ever since Cuban took over and took them out of the NBA gutter. Try watching a Mavs game on TNT sometime.

[leemajors]

barkley does not hate the mavs. he was critical of them, but he is just as critical of phoenix for example. he thought the mavs didn't have what it takes to get past the spurs. they obviously do now, and he doesn't have a problem admitting it. barkley is honest to a fault, and will admit when he is wrong. did you not see the postgame with dirk last week? the whole tnt crew was congratulating the mavs on their success.

[DarrinS]

Barkley has hated the Mavericks ever since Cuban took over and took them out of the NBA gutter. Try watching a Mavs game on TNT sometime.

I know that Barkley and Kenny Smith hate Mark Cuban, but not necessarily the Mavs.


Barkley and Kenny have good reason to hate Cuban. He basically called them idiots, because, of course, Cuban knows more about basketball than anyone.

This website explains why they hate Cuban.

http://www.nba.com/news/tnt_051104.html

Watch the video on that page. It's hilarious.

[Trainwreck2100]

We don't need facts here sir, this is an internet message board

[LEONARD]

You can find a picture of ANY player whining...

The Spurs are just a notch above everybody else...

[pache100]

You can find a picture of ANY player whining...

That's the point!

The Spurs are just a notch above everybody else...

No, they are not; I'd say whining on the court is pretty even across the board (with a couple individuals I can think of being worse than all others put together, neither of whom is a Spur or Mav). The difference is the Spurs leave it on the court; there are teams (and dallas is one of them, whether you admit it or not, whether you like it or not, it has been do ented) that are head and shoulders above the average with their whining to the media. And the sad thing is (witness the past three games), IT WORKS. That is what sucks. When it works for you (the Mavs ) like that, crying like a baby girl to the media...there's no reason to do much of it on the court.

[LEONARD]

No, they are not; I'd say whining on the court is pretty even across the board (with a couple individuals I can think of being worse than all others put together, neither of whom is a Spur or Mav). The difference is the Spurs leave it on the court; there are teams (and dallas is one of them, whether you admit it or not, whether you like it or not, it has been do ented) that are head and shoulders above the average with their whining to the media. And the sad thing is (witness the past three games), IT WORKS. That is what sucks. When it works for you (the Mavs ) like that, crying like a baby girl to the media...there's no reason to do much of it on the court.

Throw out Cuban and how much whining to the media do the Mavs do?? I'm talking players and coaches. Avery's bearhug defense comment was no worse than anything Pop or Duncan has said as far as trying to make a point about officiating without throwing a tantrum...

I've heard several Spurs fans say that even they are tired of Duncan, Manu, and Bowen's reactions after a foul is called on them...

[clambake]

Spurs fans are feeling the way mavs fans have felt for years. We have all seen Duncan get calls out of nowhere. It leaves a bitter taste.

[Spurologist]

Throw out Cuban and how much whining to the media do the Mavs do?? I'm talking players and coaches. Avery's bearhug defense comment was no worse than anything Pop or Duncan has said as far as trying to make a point about officiating without throwing a tantrum...

I've heard several Spurs fans say that even they are tired of Duncan, Manu, and Bowen's reactions after a foul is called on them...

That's the whole point. Don't you get it. Avery or the players don't have to say because Cuban is at the controls. He's got money and the right resources to get attention. Congratulations Cuban. You have finally done it.

[Trainwreck2100]

Spurs fans are feeling the way mavs fans have felt for years. We have all seen Duncan get calls out of nowhere. It leaves a bitter taste.

You've played them twice in the last seven and in 03 you didn't stand a snowballs's chance in after Dirk went out.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

I always thought a classy team had classy fans, this board has proved my thoughts wrong.

[SenorSpur]

Throw out Cuban and how much whining to the media do the Mavs do?? I'm talking players and coaches. Avery's bearhug defense comment was no worse than anything Pop or Duncan has said as far as trying to make a point about officiating without throwing a tantrum...

I've heard several Spurs fans say that even they are tired of Duncan, Manu, and Bowen's reactions after a foul is called on them...

It's funny how Mavs fans want to discount Cuban's in' and moaning, yet call the Spurs players whiners and floppers.

Cuban is the biggest of anyone in the league. Who else, other than Rasheed, has been fined as often for transgressions and complaints regarding officiating? Dude does have good suggestions, but they are often tainted because of his reputation as a crybaby.

While the Mavs have played superbly and hit big shots, theres' no doubt they have benefited greatly from "bogus" calls from the officials - many of which have been well do ented. Have the Mavs had some bad calls against them too? Of course. However in the Spurs case, it's not just those bogus calls themselves, but the TIMING of those calls. Over the past two games the calls against Tim, Bruce and Manu produced disasterous results and have swung the tide during the final minutes of the game.

I'm sure all of us want two things from the officials.

1. Call the game consistently and according to the rules.
2. Allow the players - not the officials - to decide the game during crucial junctures.

[td4mvp21]

I always thought a classy team had classy fans, this board has proved my thoughts wrong.

With your superstar, the word "class" shouldn't be in your vocabulary.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

With your superstar, the word "class" shouldn't be in your vocabulary.

Go start another "refs suck" thread. No one is talking about the Kings here.

[greyforest]

I always thought a classy team had classy fans, this board has proved my thoughts wrong.

lol

when ing jackasses are allowed to run rampant on this message board there is bound to be some retort. love how mavs fans can come in here and talk as much as they want, and if we say anything back then suddenly we dont have any class, on our own message board.

go jack off with your buddies on kingsfans! how's that for class?

[KingsFanWithoutName]

lol

when ing jackasses are allowed to run rampant on this message board there is bound to be some retort. love how mavs fans can come in here and talk as much as they want, and if we say anything back then suddenly we dont have any class, on our own message board.

go jack off with your buddies on kingsfans! how's that for class?

I love when you guys talk . You should do more of it. The constant whining and ing about "the refs are out to get the Spurs" is where you lose class in my eyes. YOU ERS HAVE MADE OVER 2,000 REF COMPLAINT THREADS.

[td4mvp21]

I love when you guys talk . You should do more of it. The constant whining and ing about "the refs are out to get the Spurs" is where you lose class in my eyes. YOU ERS HAVE MADE OVER 2,000 REF COMPLAINT THREADS.

So are we supposed to care?

[KingsFanWithoutName]

So are we supposed to care?

You responded, which means you cared enough to type a response.