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    Van Exel is gone anyway -- he's said he's retiring.

    I wonder about Horry and that notion, too.

    The Spurs are over the cap and have limited cap exceptions to sign free agents. That leaves trades and, essentially, minimum contract types (who don't tend to be young, rare commodity kinds of players).
    Yeah, I want Horry to stay. But, who would we get? I just want some big men with solid basketball IQs who can defend, rotate, and be aggressive. Barry has hit some big shots, but he's got his ring. Get some youth on this team!

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    But the other line-up WON us game 1.

    You know I love Rasho. This isn't about that.

    It has been a long series. I don't mean the following at all facetiously.

    What minutes/ numbers did our Bigs have in game one?

    Since we did win Game One last minute on a prayer, I'm not sure what real case that makes for playing our bigs.

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    Give me matchups. Who plays Dirk? Nazr or Rasho? Great the Mavs will be in the penalty shooting FTs after the 1st minute of each quarter. Duncan? Great Duncan gets pulled away from the basket and if he looks at Dirk they call a double technical.
    Bowen plays Dirk for the first three quarters. Duncan plays him in the fourth.

    Spurs would prioritize keeping players out of the lane. If that means conceding more perimeter shots, so be it.

    All this would be contingent upon competent play from Rasho. If the Spurs have to play small ball because their bigs suck too bad to get on the court, then they have no business beating Dallas anyway. If they did, they'd have to pray the Clippers didn't advance. And if somehow the Spurs got to the Finals, the Pistons would win in four routs.

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    Bowen plays Dirk for the first three quarters. Duncan plays him in the fourth.

    Spurs would prioritize keeping players out of the lane. If that means conceding more perimeter shots, so be it.

    All this would be contingent upon competent play from Rasho. If the Spurs have to play small ball because their bigs suck too bad to get on the court, then they have no business beating Dallas anyway. If they did, they'd have to pray the Clippers didn't advance. And if somehow the Spurs got to the Finals, the Pistons would win in four routs.
    I have no clue what you just said about matchups. Okay Bowen is on Dirk. So whose covering Howard? Duncan? So you want Duncan to foul out in the first quarter? Certainly you're not putting Rasho on Howard I hope. Nobody could be that insane.

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    Stats from Game 1

    Rasho played 8:44 minutes. Nazr played 1:41. Rob played 32:56 minutes.

    Rob had 5 points 9 rebounds and one steal, block, and assist.

    Sho had two rebounds.

    Nazr had 1 rebound.

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    You know I love Rasho. This isn't about that.

    It has been a long series. I don't mean the following at all facetiously.

    What minutes/ numbers did our Bigs have in game one?

    And we did win game one on a prayer, so I am not sure what real case that makes for the bigs.
    The third quarter was the key to game 1. Dallas led by 6 at halftime after a first half with less play from the bigs and more small ball. The Dallas lead went from 6 to 1 in that quarter when we played 2 bigs the entire time. First Tim and Horry- then Rasho and Horry- then Tim and Rasho. 24 minutes of bigs-- 9 for Tim; 9 for Rob; 6 for Rasho. Turned that game around. If I remember correctly, the fourth quarter had a couple of minutes of small ball at the beginning, but ended with at least 8 or 9 minutes of Tim and Horry together. Rob played over 30 minutes that game and Tim over 40.

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    Spurs would prioritize keeping players out of the lane. If that means conceding more perimeter shots, so be it.

    All this would be contingent upon competent play from Rasho. If the Spurs have to play small ball because their bigs suck too bad to get on the court, then they have no business beating Dallas anyway. If they did, they'd have to pray the Clippers didn't advance. And if somehow the Spurs got to the Finals, the Pistons would win in four routs.
    At the rate the Mavericks are shooting? If the jumpers weren't falling, OK clog the lane and dare them to shoot but it's not happening, from what I see.

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    I have no clue what you just said about matchups. Okay Bowen is on Dirk. So whose covering Howard? Duncan? So you want Duncan to foul out in the first quarter? Certainly you're not putting Rasho on Howard I hope. Nobody could be that insane.
    Indeed Duncan covers Howard. And no, he won't foul out in the first quarter. Duncan has guarded better players than Howard without getting in foul trouble, even if he gives up a lot of points. If Howard scores 30 on him, so be it. It's certainly better than having the Maverick guards go for 30 each and drawing a dozen fouls because there's nobody to keep them out of the lane.

    The Spurs are going to have to give up something. What they're doing now is giving up everything.

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    Stats from Game 1

    Rasho played 8:44 minutes. Nazr played 1:41. Rob played 32:56 minutes.

    Rob had 5 points 9 rebounds and one steal, block, and assist.

    Sho had two rebounds.

    Nazr had 1 rebound.
    Add in Tim and you have 85 minutes out of 96 for bigs.

    Last night: 51 minutes of bigs in regulation
    Game 3: 54 minutes

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    Get Finley more involved in Game 5... run some plays for him..

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    The third quarter was the key to game 1. Dallas led by 6 at halftime after a first half with less play from the bigs and more small ball. The Dallas lead went from 6 to 1 in that quarter when we played 2 bigs the entire time. First Tim and Horry- then Rasho and Horry- then Tim and Rasho. 24 minutes of bigs-- 9 for Tim; 9 for Rob; 6 for Rasho. Turned that game around. If I remember correctly, the fourth quarter had a couple of minutes of small ball at the beginning, but ended with at least 8 or 9 minutes of Tim and Horry together. Rob played over 30 minutes that game and Tim over 40.
    With these gosh awful, I don't think our bigs, can make enough of a long term difference in this particular series.

    That is not to discount any of the Bigs heart or effort, but I think we need to let Timmy ( with the occasional big sub for rest) and the guards handle this round.

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    At the rate the Mavericks are shooting? If the jumpers weren't falling, OK clog the lane and dare them to shoot but it's not happening, from what I see.
    Jumpers are more difficult than either layups or free throws, which is where the Mavericks are doing the bulk of their damage now.

    Now if the officials are going to call fouls whenever jump shooters get breathed upon, all this is academic.

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    Get Finley more involved in Game 5... run some plays for him..
    Finley gets his best shots off of screens-- who do you propose sets those screens??

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    Add in Tim and you have 85 minutes out of 96 for bigs.

    Last night: 51 minutes of bigs in regulation
    Game 3: 54 minutes

    I only left Tim out because obviously we are going to play him.

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    That is not to discount any of the Bigs heart or effort, but I think we need to let Timmy ( with the occasional big sub for rest) and the guards handle this round.
    Because it's working so well.

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    I liked when Pop said something like it was clear that the smalls can't get away with the stuff the bigs do. I thought that was a nice little jab at Dampier.

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    Because it's working so well.

    Pop's explanation about playing smalls vs bigs was extentsive, proving to me that he and his staff give our lines up serious consideration before implementing them.

    Pop has proven trustworthy in the past. I say we go with his game plan.

    It's not like the majority of us have any play off coaching experience to go off of.

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    Last time I checked the Scoreboard it said 3 to 1. Last time I checked the Spurs never played small ball in their 3 championship runs. Last time I checked the Spurs haven't played small ball all year long except against Sacramento. Last time I checked the Spurs always got it done with 2 bigs.

    So whose ing fault is that?

    Greg Popovich.

    Scoreboard 3 to 1. What ing series are you all watching?

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    On the radio, Pop's explanation about playing smalls vs bigs was extentsive, proving to me that he and his staff give our lines up serious consideration before implementing them.

    Pop has proven trustworthy in the past. I say we go with his game plan.
    Pop may well be correct that the Spurs' best chance is to continue with the small lineup.

    If that's the Spurs' best lineup, though, then Dallas is obviously a better team.

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    To be fair though Ploto- what game plan would you suggest?

    Seriously.

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    What you have to realize is that this is a match up nightmare for the Spurs. There are not many athletic big men out there that can play with Dirk and a few others.

    in the words of Bruce Bowen, "it is what it is".
    Why wasn't this matchup difficult in years past? Maybe because the Spurs dictated tempo and defense? I recall a couple of bigs playing in years past.

    3 to 1, it is what it is.

    Pop's a ing fool.

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    Pop may well be correct that the Spurs' best chance is to continue with the small lineup.

    If that's the Spurs' best lineup, though, then Dallas is obviously a better team.
    You guys talk like the Spurs have gotten blown out all series.

    I know it is frustrating to lose, but some perspective please.

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    It would be a complete idiot move to switch the line up back to normal after sticking with the small ball this long.

    Maybe if we had 2 more games until elimination, we could try that. But we can't with our backs against the wall.

    No matter how ty any of us think the refs are, no matter how bad anything could possibly be, we were still in a position to win both games 3 and 4 when it came down to it.

    And small ball put is in that position.
    I hate small ball, but will embrace it for game 5. I have to.

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    Why wasn't this matchup difficult in years past? Maybe because the Spurs dictated tempo and defense? I recall a couple of bigs playing in years past.

    3 to 1, it is what it is.

    Pop's a ing fool.
    In the past I don't think Harris, Terry, Howard and Dirk were all starting and putting a big on any of those players in not the best option. If Griffin were still getting consistent minutes the matchups wouldn't be so brutal.

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    You guys talk like the Spurs have gotten blown out all series.

    I know it is frustrating to lose, but some perspective please.
    Do you seriously believe the Spurs could win 3 straight games playing this way? This is a team that has won by getting stops, not by having to hit 13 straight clutch shots to have a chance to win maybe by 2.

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