Okay, gotcha. I generally agree. As AHF has pointed out, English is the dominant language of the business world - and it will be so regardless of whatever silly laws we have.
I've worked for Scotts company in the past. I have no desire to return.Aggie, you may have overloaded their brain.
100 Billion scott? Wow, but how does that make your bigger. You deal in
porno goods and sevices? And Manny wants to know if your hiring.
It's about printing voting ballots and welfare/medicare applications in English.
"The Collective" has chosen not to respond to coherent thought and verbal ownage.
See, when things dont fit inside their ideal world of possible Utopia, somehow, it overloads their processor.
It just fails them completely that anyone would actually disagree with their logic! Prepostorous!
Go ahead, -bag. Give it a whirl.
That might be, dark, because the logical reasonable argument developed onto a tall-tale about who has the biggest , and thats an argument that I don't need to enter to help my self-esteem. I'm not a 45 year old housewife, I have better things to do that to sit around and have idle-conversation and bicker back and forth all day. If a goo argument is in the works, I will join...not for your benefit, so that you will not think that I'm afraid, or that I don't know what to say because you don't mean to me. I will come and argue because I enjoy it, and the moment it loses my interest and becomes unenjoyable, I'm gone.
Congratulations on maturity! Dont start , wont be , dig?
BTW, you never 'argued' anything, you only declared.
Regardless, maybe next time you wont judge people 3 posts into a thread. Everyone that has posted in this thread have had this argument before. You came in half- ed and low on ammo.
^^oh boy, you are asking for it DR. Duck.
I resent eso AHF!!!
In all honesty, I learned English at school... and refined my Spanish at home...
The french and japanese classes are now all but a faint memory...
As an aside, many people who claim to know Spanish as part of their heritage don't even speak it well enough to claim the language as their own...
I like AHF, really; but his penchant to boost his personal sense of patriotism based upon vicarious emotions rooted in the military service of his relatives disappoints me; and I question your liberal waxing of AHF's life experiences as "real."
The 12=pack is empty - you are on your own.
Does speaking english increase someones chances of economic success?
So hispanics suck at math because English isn't the official language of the United States. In other news, reading through this thread whole is harmful to your intelligence.
Hmmm.....Domestically in America, I would venture a guess...yes.
Internationally anywhere...most definately.
Domestically in some other country, I would think no.
Total guesses on my part.
2cents, I certainly understand the benefits of speaking English - and think everyone in this country should speak English. I don't see how making English a "national language" makes it happen though.
Vicarious emotions? WTF? I'm proud to be an American, irrespective of the careers of my dad and siblings. I've been lucky enough to visit several countries outside our own, and a lot of the people who about every little thing here in this country don't realize how good they have it.I like AHF, really; but his penchant to boost his personal sense of patriotism based upon vicarious emotions rooted in the military service of his relatives disappoints me; and I question your liberal waxing of AHF's life experiences as "real."
Apologies, I was speaking from the (beer) gut.
It's cool Guru. Like I said, I watch people about government handouts, etc. here in this country...
Some of those piss and moaners need to go to places like Honduras, Belize, and the Bahamas and get a reality check.
I'm not sure everyone understands the benefits of speaking English as you and I do. Maybe making it a national language reinforces the importance? I don't think making it a national language will hurt.
At least up here in Dallas, there seems to be a movement afoot to embrace a multilingual society. I.e., it's okay not to learn english if you know Spanish.
At least on a cursory level, it seems to me the whole 'english as the national language' thing would nip all this LULAC crap in the bud.
Okay, why do I have to press one on the telephone when I want
to hear English spoken?
A little off the thread but I found this little article in this mornings
paper and I thought it interesting on how many languages it was
printed in.
The New York Times
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May 31, 2006
A Promise for Immigrants Who Seek Hospital Care
By TONI WHITT
The city's Health and Hospitals Corporation and the mayor's office said yesterday that they were taking aggressive steps to reassure immigrants that no one will question their status when they seek care at New York City's public hospitals.
In a letter distributed in 11 languages, the corporation's president, Alan D. Aviles, promises city residents that public hospital employees will "keep confidential all information regarding your immigration status." If they do not, Mr. Aviles wrote, they may lose their jobs. The agency and the Mayor's Office of Immigrant Affairs is sending out the letters because advocacy groups have been reporting that many undo ented immigrants are afraid of going to hospitals because they think that when they are asked for personal and financial information, hospital workers will realize they are in the country illegally and report them.
Mr. Aviles cited the case of a mother of three who arrived in New York from Mexico eight months ago and was afraid to seek treatment for cervical cancer. After an advocacy group intervened on her behalf, the woman was scheduled for treatment at one of the city's hospitals. Another immigrant, a construction worker, broke his foot and instead of going to the hospital, went to a friend of a friend — "a so-called expert" — for treatment, Mr. Aviles said.
Dr. Warren Seigel, chairman of the department of pediatrics at Coney Island Hospital, has had patients ask to meet him in a private office, rather than at the hospital.
"It's part and parcel of providing medical care," Mr. Aviles said. "There has to be a system of trust between health care providers and the patients."
To ensure that the city's public hospitals are able to build and keep that trust, Mr. Aviles sent a letter to all 39,000 employees at the agency reminding them of the confidentiality policy. In addition he plans to go on rounds with the staff for the next month to make sure that all employees know the policy and that they serve as ambassadors for the public hospitals.
"It's a public health issue," Mr. Aviles said. "It's foolish for us not to do this."
He said that if fear kept immigrants away, "all the work we have done to improve the health of our communities — getting more children vaccinated, increasing prenatal care, reducing teen pregnancy, managing diabetes and reducing the spread of H.I.V./AIDS — could potentially come undone."
Adam Gurvitch, director of health advocacy for the New York Immigrant Coalition, an umbrella group for more than 150 immigrant organizations, said that because the national immigration debate was causing so much confusion, his group was calling for the hospital industry, both public and private, to remind employees and patients that personal information is confidential and is not shared with government agencies.
Despite the continuing disagreements over immigration policy, "it's really important for people to understand that nothing has changed," Mr. Gurvitch said. "Health care remains a right for all people in America, for all immigrants, regardless of immigration status."
The policy is in line with Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg's executive order that generally forbids city agencies from inquiring about or disclosing the immigration status of New Yorkers who come into contact with city government. Mr. Bloomberg said yesterday that he was concerned about the studies that show undo ented immigrants afraid of going to a hospital.
Mr. Bloomberg again criticized the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. "All of this is a problem because 20 years ago Congress did not do what they were supposed to do: address the problem of people coming into this country illegally," he said.
The immigration debate aside, Guillermo Linares, commissioner for the Office of Immigrant Affairs, said that the campaign to make sure immigrants received proper health care benefited the city. "A healthy New Yorker keeps a healthy city, and that's why we're here," he said.
Sewell Chan contributed reporting for this article.
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I wonder how many languages it was sent out in to the 39,000
employess?
Xray, having to press 1 should be a good thing. Think about it, there should be options to hear other languages, thats just common decency, especially when you consider a language is a learning process, so newbies can't be expected to deal with ignorant operators in a language in which they have little skill. Now, if we have to have other options we have 2 choices, have english be 1 of the buttons, or you just stay on the line after the other options to have English spoken. If you have to stay on the line for that you have to sit through a long line or boring b.s in 10 languages you don't understand. If English is a button option you should be glad its 1st, it saves you time. There is no better option, so be glad you have to press 1.
^^Yep, in your opinion it is okay. How you think that, I don't know.
I really don't care about sparing anyone's feelings. Sorry, that is
just the way I am. When I have been in other countries, which I have
been in many, they damn sure didn't bend over backwards to spare
my feelings. Funny thing about that, I didn't feel offended. After
all it was their country and I felt lucky if I could find someone
who could speak my language, I really didn't expect it. I didn't
feel it was their obligation to speak my language. Funny story.
I was in Turkey some years ago and was trying to get directions
to a certain place, there was three people involved in the conversation. A Turk who spoke French, a French speaking person
who also spoke English and between us I got to where I wanted to
go. We have no obligation to anyone to speak their language.
Did you read the little article I posted. 11 languages. Do you
really want to live in a country where no one understands no one
else. You know we Americans have a culture also, and that is not
wrong. Do we have to sacrifice our culture to satisfy others?
Taking this post in and of itself
Funny, I always thought the American culture was considered the 'melting-pot' culture...
Funny, all the people in this country that contributed to that 'melting pot' had no problem picking up the English language.Funny, I always thought the American culture was considered the 'melting-pot' culture...
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