3-years, $9M.
Anymore than that and the Spurs are just caving in. Make him earn it.
Don't make him the highest paid second round pick of all-time.
so how much is the buy out fee for Scola as of this time? It was one issue they didn't pursue him last yr. It was too much.Because Javtokas’ contract with his Lithuanian team has expired, the Spurs would not have to pay a buy-out fee to Lietuvos Rytas Vilnius before signing him.
I want somebody to make a really good trade offer for him. Probably won't happen since he's unproven in the NBA. Bruno was raving about him in todays game but said he can't defend the basket for squat. That's what I've seen and heard and fear. If he can't defend the basket it isn't going to work.
Sounds about right, although with the new rules I'd prefer 2-years $5-6M. At least that way if he bombs the Spurs have an expiring contract to deal next summer.
$10 in 3 years is pretty much the most, IMO. Give him the option on year 3 if it makes him feel better.
We were talking about it yesterday in some other thread. To me, it's like this:
His buyout is reportedly around 3.5M, to which the Spurs can contribute 500K, needing to cover about 3M on his salary. If he currently makes around 2M per year, for him not to lose too much money he'd need 3M + 2M x LENGTH.
If it's a 1 year deal, that's 5M. If it's a 2 years deal, 7M. If it's a 3 years deal, 9M. A 1 year deal makes no sense money wise, rights wise, etc. 3 years is too big a risk for both Scola and the Spurs, considering the former could lose a lot of money if he does well, and the Spurs could end up with another bad contract if he doesn't. So IMO, a 2 years 7M deal would sound like a reasonable compromise for both.
Jasikevicius signed a 3 years, 12M contract last season, and supposedly Garbajosa is about to do the same for the Raptors, so that's not above market value for a player of his caliber. Of course, market value might not be what he is worth to the Spurs, but that's not Scola's fault.
so how much the Spurs can offer?
Reports say:
The NBA free-agent pool this summer isn't deep compared to other years, and the Spurs don't have a first-round pick in next month's draft.
But they will explore signing two previous selections: Argentine forward Luis Scola and Lithuanian forward/center Robertas Javtokas. Depending on how much of the Spurs' $5.1 million midlevel exception Scola seeks — the team also has a $1.75 million exception available — Javtokas might be more cost effective.
Trading Scola's rights or working a sign-and-trade deal with Mohammed are other options.
hmmn, guess financially we're not really the best destination for this summer huh? Except that we have Tim Duncan/Manu/TP as biggest come ons for FA.
I would agree with this. Johnny Ludden reported that Fabri Oberto received a 3-year, $7.3M deal with the third year at Fabri's option. So as a minimum, matching or anything less than this for Luis would probably not be acceptable to him or his agent, as well.
3 years/$10M (starting salary : $3.1M) with a player option for the third year
or even
3 years/$12M (starting salary : $3.7M) with a player option for the third year
are contracts that I won't hesitate to give at Scola. I think that this guy can be a starting PF in nba.
Last edited by Bruno; 06-02-2006 at 06:49 AM.
Yeah, but those guys weren't second round picks. There is a huge difference. A second round pick doesn't really have any leverage when coming to the NBA ... while a Euroleague free agent has tons of leverage.
Seriously though, giving Scola even a $9M contract probably makes him the highest paid second round draft pick of all-time.
True. Basically your value is determined by the team that holds your rights as opposed to, of all 30 teams, that which values you the most. However, it should also be noted that
- a trade is still possible if both parties are too far off to reach an agreement and a second team is willing to satisfy both their demands.
- he can still earn top non NBA money and be a star in Europe should he so choose, he isn't forced to take the Spurs' offer or sit down. Life outside the NBA must not be that bad if several top European stars have rejected significant offers to remain with their teams.
So, having your rights owned by a given team does take bargaining power from a player, but it could be a double-edged sword as it could just as easily turn you off from coming to the NBA altogether, resulting in the loss of an asset for the team in question.
Summing up, it's in both their best interest that everyone negotiate in good-will, as pressure tactics could backfire and hurt either party involved.
But that's a half-truth. You're highly unlikely to find a second round pick coming to the NBA with his pedigree as well, and for those who did -like Manu-, cir stances and market value were different. That's not even considering the fact that he should have been a sure fire first round pick, if not lottery pick, that same year had it not been for his contract status.
So, IMO, that which you point out is just a mere anecdote in light of the special cir stances surrounding Scola's case.
Negotiation tactics. To avoid being low-balled by the Spurs, Javtokas keeps the option to play for someone else and points out one of the advantages (more playing time). I would guess this is more a sign of him and/or his agent being smart rather than anything certain one way or the other.
I just don't see the Spurs offering more than a two-year LLE offer. That's the max Javtokas would get.
Kori, on the Spurs central forum there’s a guy who posts, goes by the name Spurs Fan Israel. I think he is in the Israeli Army according to his personal info so if you find that article he just might be your translator. Happy hunting.
Define "top non NBA money" if you would. It would be nice to know what that really means.he can still earn top non NBA money and be a star in Europe should he so choose, he isn't forced to take the Spurs' offer or sit down. Life outside the NBA must not be that bad if several top European stars have rejected significant offers to remain with their teams.
Last summer a European team reportedly offered Jasikevicius $2.5M Euros (over $3M US) per season. I think that would have made him the highest paid player in Europe. Additionally, the tax situation is much better for players over there, as well as a lot of perks that teams will give like a place to live, a car, ...
I was under the impression that taxes were higher in Europe than over here. Is that incorrect?
It depends on european country. In Spain there are few taxes.
€2.5M in Spain should be equivalent to $4M in nba.
In general this is true. How can you get better than no income tax, anyway (Texas, Florida...)?
Yeah- the team was in Spain.
NBA players have to file a state income tax return in every state in which they play for the pro-rated amount of salary they received for games played and number of days spent within that state. So it helps for the games played in SA, Dallas, Houston, etc... but not for almost half of them played in states with a state income tax.
Last edited by ploto; 06-02-2006 at 01:29 PM.
Yep, richest european teams are in Spain (Tau, Barcelona, Unicaja, Madrid ...) and in Russia with very rich owners.
Nikola Vujicic has received an offer at $2.5M/year from Madrid.
If Scola stay with tau (he sill sign an extension), he should get at least €2.5M/year and likely €3M/year.
Which I guess brings us back to the original topic- which could open that spot for Robertas on Maccabi.
Who knows- Bruno- maybe you will get your wish and Ian will come. If Robertas decides to stay in Europe- and we know how cheaply Ian can be signed since the amount is pre-determined by draft position.
I do have a question for our cap experts and I don't feel like looking it up- how does it work for a team over the cap who wants to sign a first round draft pick, but it is not from that summer's draft- but a previous one. Is there no problem at all doing this??
??? It's not my wish at all. I think he should stay one more year in europe and play a lot instead of being the 5th bigmen with Spurs.
No problem at all.
Sorry- I thought you were the one who wanted Ian here now- and discussed how his trip to SA meant maybe the Spurs were thinking about bringing him now. My bad.
I agree. It would be better for him to play another year in Europe and that goes along with the Spurs general theory of development, as well.
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