Subverting the Cons ution by Opposing the Flag

**fyatuk** · 06-20-2006

Originally Posted by xrayzebra

Others have rights too.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for making my point.

**boutons_** · 07-01-2006

Repugs Waving The Flag!

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No More Flag Burning

**xrayzebra** · 07-01-2006

Well hope you all have a happy 4th of July. I invite you to visit the site below.
Enjoy.

http://www.llerrah.com/raggedflag.htm

**sabar** · 07-02-2006

Wow, it's amazing how many people so blindly cling to the ideals of the far right and left. Do some of you even read your posts and really look at what you believe? George Washington had the right idea with not wanting political parties.

You know, there is actually a MIDDLE in the political spectrum. Where you aren't some radical whacko that can't even think for themselves.

At least progressives and libertarians are much more moderate. This "repug lolol neocon sucks" and "libs suck lol dimocrap lol" thing is getting real old.

Onto the issue, if you support an amendment to outlaw flag burning, you are un-american. No ifs ands or buts about it. Some people need to spend less time listening to political pundits and the far left and right and more time in say, an american government class or politics course. I guarantee that people like TJ and Washington would never support an anti-flag burning amendment. This isn't the USSR circa 1950. This isn't the 1760's under a tyrant-king where you can limit anyone's freedom.

Honestly, where do people get their silly ideas? Go read the damn cons ution before you start spouting off about how flag burning must be outlawed. Just like the gun control fanatics. What's next, an amendment to prohibit anti-government speech in all formats? Are we living in communist china?

**Clandestino** · 07-02-2006

Originally Posted by sabar

Wow, it's amazing how many people so blindly cling to the ideals of the far right and left. Do some of you even read your posts and really look at what you believe? George Washington had the right idea with not wanting political parties.

You know, there is actually a MIDDLE in the political spectrum. Where you aren't some radical whacko that can't even think for themselves.

At least progressives and libertarians are much more moderate. This "repug lolol neocon sucks" and "libs suck lol dimocrap lol" thing is getting real old.

Onto the issue, if you support an amendment to outlaw flag burning, you are un-american. No ifs ands or buts about it. Some people need to spend less time listening to political pundits and the far left and right and more time in say, an american government class or politics course. I guarantee that people like TJ and Washington would never support an anti-flag burning amendment. This isn't the USSR circa 1950. This isn't the 1760's under a tyrant-king where you can limit anyone's freedom.

Honestly, where do people get their silly ideas? Go read the damn cons ution before you start spouting off about how flag burning must be outlawed. Just like the gun control fanatics. What's next, an amendment to prohibit anti-government speech in all formats? Are we living in communist china?

stfu about reading the cons ution... "our" forefathers had slaves and all kinds of going on... things evolve as time goes by so should we...

**Clandestino** · 07-02-2006

Originally Posted by fyatuk

What do you not get about that idea? Burn a flag within site of the Capitol or White House and you will immediately have millions of people listening to what you have to say, and not just listening. They will actually WANT to know what you have to say.

It's low cost and much more effective than anything else you can do. Now granted it loses its power if it is used often, but that hasn't been a problem.

We have the right to peacefully assemble to protest. We have the right to Freedom of Speech (and expression by extension). We have the right to protest the government to ins ute change, or even peacefully work to overthrow the government (see Declaration of Independence). Burning a flag falls under each and every one of those. Each of them is one of those ideals the flag stands for. I honestly can't even understand why its even a contention.

if you have to burn a flag to get people to listen to you then you probably don't anything worth a to listen to anyway...

**xrayzebra** · 07-02-2006

Originally Posted by sabar

Wow, it's amazing how many people so blindly cling to the ideals of the far right and left. Do some of you even read your posts and really look at what you believe? George Washington had the right idea with not wanting political parties.

You know, there is actually a MIDDLE in the political spectrum. Where you aren't some radical whacko that can't even think for themselves.

At least progressives and libertarians are much more moderate. This "repug lolol neocon sucks" and "libs suck lol dimocrap lol" thing is getting real old.

Onto the issue, if you support an amendment to outlaw flag burning, you are un-american. No ifs ands or buts about it. Some people need to spend less time listening to political pundits and the far left and right and more time in say, an american government class or politics course. I guarantee that people like TJ and Washington would never support an anti-flag burning amendment. This isn't the USSR circa 1950. This isn't the 1760's under a tyrant-king where you can limit anyone's freedom.

Honestly, where do people get their silly ideas? Go read the damn cons ution before you start spouting off about how flag burning must be outlawed. Just like the gun control fanatics. What's next, an amendment to prohibit anti-government speech in all formats? Are we living in communist china?

Well Mr. sabar, I hate to burst your bubble. But if the amendment had
passed and been ratified by the states, it would have been part of the
Cons ution of which you want everyone to read. Maybe you should
re-read it and see that the very steps as outlined in the Cons ution
were being followed. And no fear, you can still burn the flag, without
fear of retribution from the authorities. Although, you may have a little
problem with those who witness such an event.

Now, middle of the road are you? Guess you don't take a stand on much
of anything then. Not surprising.

Those of us here that do, whether it be left or right, have our views
we express them. That too is our right. To take a stand, thank you
very much.

Now you have a really good Fourth of July and remember those who have
fought so you can be a middle of the road type. You hear!

**boutons_** · 07-02-2006

"if you have to burn a flag"

When was the last flag burned in the USA, that ANYbody noticed? Early 1970s?

The gay marriage amendment (will NEVER happen),

the flag-burning amendment (will NEVER happen),

the Miami-7-jokers entrapped by FBI al-cracka,

the attack on NYT publishing 4-year old "news" the WH itself flouted in 2002

... are all smoke-and-mirrors diversionary tactics to divert attention from the 100% Repug disaster in Iraq.

The Repugs have NO record of governing, of any successes, to run on, so it's bull , fear, "national security", all-9/11-all-the-time, inflammatory, divisive, polarizing issues, repeated diversions from real issues of govt and from real problems, the #1 being Iraq.

But Rove understands the somnolent, ignorant, dont-bother-me American sheeple are easily diverted, the American rabble easily roused (but much harder to enlist for Repug phony war), and negative campaigning and Swift-boat personal destruction works because of the sheeple it's aimed at.

R E P U G N A N T

**xrayzebra** · 07-02-2006

Then boutons, you have nothing to worry about. So why are you pointing out
all these flaws. And degrading the American people as "somnolent, ignorant, dont-
bother-me American Sheeple"

Why do you bother about the American people, are you not one of them? Maybe
you aren't.

**Clandestino** · 07-02-2006

we have an extremely low capital gains rate and the lowest taxes in history... those are great... in the 80s taxes the highest tax bracket was 70%... can you imagine that???

**FromWayDowntown** · 07-02-2006

Originally Posted by xrayzebra

Now, middle of the road are you? Guess you don't take a stand on much
of anything then. Not surprising.

Those of us here that do, whether it be left or right, have our views
we express them. That too is our right. To take a stand, thank you
very much.

Fascinating that only those who are on the extremes of the political spectrum "take a stand" for anything. What an utter load of crap. I could believe half of what the extremist conservatives say and half of what the extremist liberals say and in professing that viewpoint, I too would have taken a stand.

The notion that buying into the lowest common denominator approach taken by the political parties is somehow "taking a stand" for anything is patently ridiculous. I'd hazard a guess that the rank-and-file on the right and left wait to hear what they're supposed to think on really tough issues before "taking a stand" on one side or the other.

Certainly, it's anyone's right to allow a political party to dictate the stand that he takes, but it's equally my right to challenge the problematic nature of one-size-fits-all policies.

**George Gervin's Afro** · 07-02-2006

the funniest thing about this ridiculous debate is that how many flag burnings occur annually?...probably less than you can count on one hand but the GOP needs meat to throw to the mindless one's... it will be a long year for gay flag burners.. those psuedo christians will support ing with our cons ution at any cost.. or a couple of extra votes..and we must all remember democrats

will do anything for their power back

**xrayzebra** · 07-02-2006

Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

Fascinating that only those who are on the extremes of the political spectrum "take a stand" for anything. What an utter load of crap. I could believe half of what the extremist conservatives say and half of what the extremist liberals say and in professing that viewpoint, I too would have taken a stand.

The notion that buying into the lowest common denominator approach taken by the political parties is somehow "taking a stand" for anything is patently ridiculous. I'd hazard a guess that the rank-and-file on the right and left wait to hear what they're supposed to think on really tough issues before "taking a stand" on one side or the other.

Certainly, it's anyone's right to allow a political party to dictate the stand that he takes, but it's equally my right to challenge the problematic nature of one-size-fits-all policies.

And your stand on anything is?

**xrayzebra** · 07-02-2006

Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

the funniest thing about this ridiculous debate is that how many flag burnings occur annually?...probably less than you can count on one hand but the GOP needs meat to throw to the mindless one's... it will be a long year for gay flag burners.. those psuedo christians will support ing with our cons ution at any cost.. or a couple of extra votes..and we must all remember democrats

will do anything for their power back

Okay, lets look at it another way. Flag burning is a hazard to my health. Now
you cant smoke in public most places now days.

Most flags are made from man made material. Burning most man made
materials can cause cancel by inhaling the smoke. Now should we ban
burning of the flags to protect the health of the public? You know like
second hand smoke.

I think I may just contact my elected representatives and ask them
that question.

Now I just know you support the no smoking ban, don't you?

**ChumpDumper** · 07-02-2006

Ok, no flag burning in hospitals, bars and restaurants.

I guess minors can't buy flags then either.

**xrayzebra** · 07-02-2006

^^They can buy them, just not burn them where others can inhale the smoke. In
the privacy of their homes I guess it would be okay to burn them.

But not at Nelson Stadium, and outdoor facility I would like to point out. Or at most
public gatherings. Especially if you draw a crowd and children are present.