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oh really....but the operator should have also know not to let a 6yr old go by himself.
The kid met the height requirement.
So now he has to fortell into the future?
Interesting.
Agreed, the mom was stupid and should be held accountable, but the operator should have also know not to let a 6yr old go by himself.
oh really....but the operator should have also know not to let a 6yr old go by himself.
The kid met the height requirement.
So now he has to fortell into the future?
Interesting.
Joanne Deocampo, an administrator at the University of California, Davis, Center for Child and Family Studies, said height doesn't translate to a child's emotional ability to handle a ride. A young child can be taller than 42 inches and still be too young to handle the fear of heights that can set in on a Ferris wheel and other tall rides, she said.Am I making my point clear, T Park?
"This 6-year-old child should have never been allowed on an adult ride by themselves. ... That ride operator should have stopped that child from going on that ride," said Ken Martin, a national ride-safety consultant.
*Headline*
"Six year old child playing in traffic hit and killed"
Manny expert #1:
"That poor child...this just proves that SUV's are inherently dangerous and should be banned"
Manny expert #2:
"THEY" should have had signs up warning drivers to watch for children playing in the street.
Manny expert #3:
"The car manufacturer is at fault...if they had installed air bags on the front bumper this tragic accident would have never happened."
Manny expert #4:
"The salesman that sold the car was at fault because he should have known that the driver had a propensity to run over children and he should never have sold him the car."
Cosmic Cowboy:
"Where the were the parents and why was this kid playing in the street?"
Someone told him to go play in the road. I tell people sometimes.
Basically what that quote is telling me is that not only do ride operators need to enforce height requirements (which they should), now they have to psychoanalyze every child that approaches the ride to see if he or she is emotionally mature enough to ride it?
I know what my children are afraid of, what they like, don't like, how they react to things, etc...I wouldn't expect a total stranger to. And I wouldn't throw them into the deep end alone unless I knew they could swim, so to speak.
Mother's fault, as tragic as that is, by a mile.
I think Dr. Philipe just likes to argue with T_Park for the sake of arguing.
The parent's are NEVER guilty!
Lots of people are at fault here.
But if that Ferris wheel had had bars on it to prevent the child from jumping out, there would be no need to rely on the judgment of an untrained migrant laborer or an ignorant mother to save the child's life.
The proprietor of that ride bears responsibility to ensure that his product is reasonably safe. The ride lacked basic safety features widely found in the industry (the bars). These safety features would have been relatively simple to implement.
The owner of that wheel is grossly negligent.
The fair officials likewise are responsible for the equipment they allow on their fairgrounds. Knowledge about what safe rides look like is not exactly scarce, given how many of these damn things we have around the country. Hire an inspector. If people's rides are not safe, don't let them in.
The fair officials likewise are negligent.
In my industry, we would never leave it to an untrained laborer who doesn't even speak any English to be responsible for life-and-death decisions. If I did that, and something happened, not only would my company be held financially liable, but I myself probably would go to prison.
You know why, because you're a good parent and have common sense. But what I've learned in my 31 yrs of life is a lot of people do not have common sense.
If the (stupid) Mom sees the child meets the height requirement (as does the operator) she (for some unforgivable reason) is lead to believe he is able to ride without someone. But common sense tells us NO the child is only 6 and might freak out at top. The operator should know this posibilty is there, since he OPERATES the damn thing everyday. The mom isnt there everyday, seeing reactions from other kids.
She is 99% at fault, but that 1% by the attendant could've saved a childs life. No one is saying the moms not at fault.
It is like what one of my teachers always said. Paraphrasing.
"They should make everything idiot proof".
Here's how my engineering mind processes the hazard:
The severity of an accident is extremely high; i.e., death.
The probability of an accident is high; i.e., a child tall for his age freaks out and jumps.
Very high severity and high probability means that the Ferris wheel design is unacceptable. It is not sufficient to rely on the judgment of people, even if they were highly trained and very responsible.
The installation of the bars does not reduce the severity of jumping out of the car, but it does reduce the likelihood. The rider would have to open a locked door in order to jump out.
With very high severity and low likelihood, it becomes sufficient to rely upon human administration to manage the residual risk.
Other accident scenarios might then become more likely, such as the child becoming agitated and banging his head into something. But that is low-severity, albeit with a higher likelihood, and still could be managed with human administration.
This line of thinking is the standard for evaluating hazards.
So, while the operator and mother both bear blame for their poor judgment, the business owner is primarily liable for operating inherently unsafe equipment.
Sure, if the ferris wheel was simply lying around waiting for someone to pick it up and use it or was a place where you didn't go to pay someone to provide you a service which includes safety.
Give me a break, the ferris wheel is a supervised business not the street.
Thats absolute bull . I'm frankly amazed that there is such a large group of people here who don't see a problem with putting a six year old child into a gondola with nothing to keep him in. NOTHING.
Theres a reason that the best analogies you guys can come up with are crap. You're comparing a kid playing in a street to a kid riding a ferris wheel. You all seem to be amazed that the business shares in the responsibility to make sure its patrons are safe which amazes me due to how common and prevelant a concept that is.
This won't even become a lawsuit like some of you suggested. I guarntee that business owner carries liability insurance - Why? Because he shares in the liability! - and the insurance company will be more than eager to settle out of court because this is pretty damn open and shut.
Manny, if you read a little more carefully people like myself, CC, and SW are not negating that it was dangerous for the ride servicer to put him on it. However, the majority of the blame and liability rests solely on the mother of this child who A) could see for herself that there's a problem with putting YOUR OWN CHILD into a gondola with nothing to keep him in and B) Who is willing to let a 6 year old sit on a ferris wheel like that all by himself.
And 1P1, if you would read what I've been saying there are several times in this thread where I acknowledge that the mother shares in the blame.
Yes, but you think the share is even where as majority of us (well at least me) feel it's more 98% of the blame falls on her.
Well, if you guys want to belive that an arbitrary 2% of safety is the responsibility of an owner then I'm glad the legal system and almost every industry disagrees with you.
This is a pretty obvious situation for a parent to realize that their child would not be safe. However, if it was supposed to be so damn obvious to her, why didn't the ride operator know when he sits there and works on the damn thing everyday?
Well, the mother gets as punishment to bury her child.
Of course morally she is primarily to blame.
But the stupidity of the general public is a given and should be planned for.
Moral responsibility and legal responsibility are not the same.
Maybe 15-20% of mothers are stupid enough to do something like that.
So, in order to keep from having to hose the splattered brains of the children of stupid mothers off the pavement all the time, non-ignorant people have to take responsibility for safeguards and precautions. We do this in our society because we value human life.
As a mother with a shred of common sense, I don't depend on carnival workers to monitor what my children do and what's safe for them or not. I consider that my job.
On the other hand, as a mother, if I were working at a carnival ride and a little 6 year old wanted on by himself I wouldn't let him, but it's easy for me to say that now, though, because it's nice and air conditioned in my office and I make substantially more than minimum wage. And I care about everyone's children.
I just think back to the pictures of the ferris wheel and think that there is nothing to keep the people in and then I look to the wheel at Fiesta Texas and wonder why they aren't all like that?
The one at Fiesta Texas is really nice.
Yeah, and it's not like welding on some galvanized steel is a million-dollar proposition.
But out in the sticks, there are a lot of yahoos who think all that safety stuff is for sissies. That is, until their child gets hurt.
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