I think they if they are considering this they definitely are considering tanking for Oden...it is that time of the decade.
But I think the trade with the Spurs would have more upside...Argentine stock is pretty high right now, and if the Spurs were to throw Mahnimi in on the deal, there's no telling his upside. And the Celtics don't have to sign either of them right now(well Scola might have to be signed by the Spurs to make the trade work, but still).
The Spurs deal doesn't give them the cap space...but it does give them something to put around Oden if they do get him, and something to have if they don't get Oden.
Right, and I think they'd probably try to send Raef back to Dallas before dealing Wally.The trade also works if you swap Wally-World and LaFrentz.
Wally is the better player, but he's not quite good enough to screw up a good tank job.
I wonder what Danny Ainge thinks of Cuban...that would have something to do with it too...if he did that trade with Dallas it would definitely increase their le chances...
I don't have a doubt in my mind that Ainge has more respect for the Spurs than Dallas..
I don't hear a lot of interest in Scola. Mahinmi may be a different story because his athleticism is so sick, but trading Pierce to save one year's worth of the money on his deal without moving a huge contract makes no sense to me. I'd assume just to keep Pierce in that case.
For the record, I don't want Pierce here. Not enough shots to go around, and he does nothing to address our ty rebounding that doomed the Spurs this playoffs.
Lol i dont think Ainge would care where Pierce went, both teams are le contenders from the west, not the east. I'd imagine he would take the best offer.
For the Spurs? Uh, no.
Pierce pulls down 6 boards a game basically as a 2 guard...he's got the game to play any of the 1-4 positions in a smallball lineup and create a mismatch at all of them...he gives us a second post up threat, he can slash...I mean he's better than Bonzi or Artest as far as being a little bigman. No way the Mavs can hang with us if we get him and manage to keep Manu and Parker. I want to see them try to defend that.
I don't see what's not to like...dude's not a ball hog, he actually liked playing with Toine.
The only problems I see with this deal, my way, are that we'd be totally screwed in the post Duncan era and would have to scramble to find a C for this year...but I'd still be willing to do that to add Pierce to Manu, Duncan and Parker...
That'd be an insanely difficult lineup to matchup with...no one in the NBA could do it.
I agree, pierce is awesome. One of the most complete players in the game. I imagine alot of teams will be after him, not just the mavs or spurs.
He's awesome to a good team...but if I was mediocre and had to give up talent to get him...I wouldn't be excited about him...because he's not a franchise player IMO.
If I were Utah or Minnesota etc...I wouldn't touch him.
And even as much as I like him...I wouldn't do any deal that required us to give up Manu or Parker for him.
This reminds me of our Webber/Robinson arguments 5 years ago. Webber was of course the better player (who I wanted then), while it turned out David was a better fit for us because he addressed a glaring need. Pierce has facets of his game that our guards don't such as the ability to get to the line and rebound better, but I love our ability to score from the perimeter already, and I don't want to do anything to take Tim further out of our offense. A big who can grab boards should be this team's #1 priority. For the SF I'd like to get an athlete with long arms who can move his feet.
Let me rephrase...
No way, unless we can keep Manu/TP/Tim somehow. I don't see how we could do that, but having those 4 would be sick.
this is a dumb, dumb, dumb...thread. the spurs are not getting paul pierce.
Welcome to the offseason.
Hmmm...I just found an interesting snippet:
http://www.rotowire.com/roto_to_gnew...1932&sport=nba
Paul Pierce: Will Begin Discussing a New Contract with Boston - 6/22/2006 7:56:24 AM
Update:
Pierce and director of basketball operations Danny Ainge are expected to meet soon to begin dialogue on a contract extension, the Boston Herald reports.
Recommendation:
Pierce is signed through the 2007-2008 season, but has an option to sever the deal next summer and become an unrestricted free agent. With five years now the maximum a player can have on his contract, the Celtics will thus be trying to get Pierce inked through 2010-2011. "I don't have a date scheduled with Paul, but we'll talk soon," Ainge said. "We're not going to get anything resolved right away, but we'll start the talks." Ainge refused to comment on statements made by Heat forward Antoine Walker telling Pierce that he may need to go elsewhere to compete for a le.
Could the reason the Celts might be trying to move him be because they think they will lose him?
Obviously, his contract isn't the issue...and now a trade doesn't seem like such a good deal since it would basically be for one year.
But just to add a little intrigue to this...it seems Pierce does have leverage to demand a trade, pretty much anywhere he wants to go.
And I don't think he was too happy about the way Antoine Walker was dumped in Boston.
^ LoL at Walker giving Pierce advise on how to win a le.
You do realize that Antione Walker just won a le right? And, believe it or not, he played well.
He deserved it more than...say...Derek Anderson.
Would be nice if more threads of players that the Spurs actually have a 5-10% of getting were made. But lets pretend the Spurs and Celtics actually would consider making a deal.
If the Spurs could get Pierce without giving up too much of course I would take him. Pierce is better than Manu and Parker at this point.
But the Celtics wouldn't want anyone besides Tony Parker and Manu as a sweetner. While I consider Pierce to be superior to Tony by a decent margin, the Spurs still feel Tony has a lot of growth left and would probably feel he would be too much to give up at this point. Plus Pierce wouldn't be worth getting if they had to give up their starting backcourt most likely, (unless they could sign someone like Speedy or another very good PG).
Pierce has about 2-3 years left until he starts to slip, provided he doesn't injure himself. Duncan and Pierce would make a of a duo. I think Pierce could become even more efficient of a scorer in the Spurs system. He could also be solid on defense as well. He might not be the playmaker Manu is, but he is a superior scorer and holds much more value as a regular season player.
Last edited by Nikos; 06-26-2006 at 07:52 AM.
Make them, then. People like to but don't like to take a stab, apparently.
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I don't understand this line of thinking. Pierce is a difference maker. A proven top scorer and with a very good perimeter game. Can hit the long range shot and also go to the basket. Why would he not be a good addition?
His defense is also good. What do you want? Just role players? That line of thinking will get you to the 2nd round every year and no further because another team will have more overall talent.
I would even include manu in a trade to land Pierce. Pierce is the better player.
The only thing not to like about Pierce is the price tag. He's an awesome player.
I'd wish the Spurs could get a guy like Pierce or Shawn Marrion, so that Tim could move to center. I think Marrion is about 5 million cheaper.
paul pierce is a ing stud. i do think a pierce/td/parker lineup would be sick. having said that i don't see this move happening without san antonio moving some big pieces, which apparently is not what most spurs fans want. i personally think pierce is underrated.
PP>>>Manu
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