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    Hey! Holiday's over.

    Are the indictments out now?
    Have the statute of limitations expired?

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    Okay, you're jumping around. Let's focus here.

    Was there or was there not an established relationship between al Qaeda and Iraq, dating back to as far as 1994, or beyond?

    Because, there are many references from within the Clinton Administration alone that state otherwise. What Clinton did or didn't with that information has no bearing on whether the relationship existed or not.

    focus. My point is Iraq was not a part of the war on terror until we invaded.

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    Jesus- ing-Christ, Yoni!

    Just make a ing link to the material you site everyday. Why is that a problem for you? You go thru all the trouble of quoting and bolding and italicizing, but you cant open and close an URL tag?

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    Have the statute of limitations expired?
    Are they in the pipeline behind Joe Wilson's?

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    Jesus- ing-Christ, Yoni!

    Just make a ing link to the material you site everyday. Why is that a problem for you? You go thru all the trouble of quoting and bolding and italicizing, but you cant open and close an URL tag?
    I did link to the article and he didn't read it. I was just posting excerpts.

    So, Jesus- ing-Christ, can't you people just admit that you're wrong.

    Can't you just admit that your memories are so ing short that Richard Clarke can say there was a connection in 1998 and then claim there wasn't in 2005 and you're too stupid to call him on it?

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    Are they in the pipeline behind Joe Wilson's?
    I don't know, maybe the NYTimes will find a leaker to clue you in.

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    Well then include the media in getting it wrong as well..
    Media quoting Clinton administration officials, you mean. Officials that have changed there story since, by the way.

    by the way do you think if I took the time I could find articles that refute the one's you do?
    I don't know, try me. I'd love to see an authoritative refutation of just this one article from the Weekly Standard. Go ahead, if you can.

    of course I could but I am not going to waste my time because it still does not take away the fact that bush started an unecessary war..
    It might help your case if you did.

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    I don't know, maybe the NYTimes will find a leaker to clue you in.
    Hey we're at war now. You're a coward if you let these traitors run free.

    What's the holdup?

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    focus. My point is Iraq was not a part of the war on terror until we invaded.
    And mine was that there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda that made it a part of the war on terror. Oh, and backed up by sources from the Clinton administration.

    You know, the President that signed a policy stating that regime change, in Iraq, was the official U. S. objective there. That guy.

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    Hey we're at war now. You're a coward if you let these traitors run free.

    What's the holdup?
    Apparently the damage is done, maybe they'll lead to those who leaked the information if given the chance.

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    Apparently the damage is done, maybe they'll lead to those who leaked the information if given the chance.
    The damage is done? That's all you got? No punishment? Not much of a "law and order" guy, are you? If you think a crime has been committed, indict. What are you afraid of?

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    The damage is done? That's all you got? No punishment? Not much of a "law and order" guy, are you? If you think a crime has been committed, indict. What are you afraid of?
    Like I said, have the statute of limitations run out?

    First, you're treating me as if I were in a position to make that decision. (But, if I were, I would prosecute). Second, you believe this administration needs to work according to your time-table. Too bad, you're just going to have to be frustrated on that, I believe.

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    And mine was that there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda that made it a part of the war on terror. Oh, and backed up by sources from the Clinton administration.

    You know, the President that signed a policy stating that regime change, in Iraq, was the official U. S. objective there. That guy.
    The one who thought better of invading the country? I would hope that your boy bush would have more up to date intel than what slick willy used but considering you base your whole argument on what clinton said I guess you think the guys is not as dishonest as most of your cohorts.. you are a fan of clintons now?

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    Media quoting Clinton administration officials, you mean. Officials that have changed there story since, by the way.


    I don't know, try me. I'd love to see an authoritative refutation of just this one article from the Weekly Standard. Go ahead, if you can.


    It might help your case if you did.

    Wow you used conservative websites to justify bush's rationale for going war..Let me guess you can find many Fox News articles to back it up huh?

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    I did link to the article and he didn't read it. I was just posting excerpts.

    So, Jesus- ing-Christ, can't you people just admit that you're wrong.

    Can't you just admit that your memories are so ing short that Richard Clarke can say there was a connection in 1998 and then claim there wasn't in 2005 and you're too stupid to call him on it?

    what if we had more up to date information than you used? Is that possible? Is it possible that Bush had information that refuted his rationlae for war? Is it possible he withheld more up to date information than what clinton used 1998? Now I am surprised that you support invading a country using 5 yr old intel.. I would hope the president had a little more up to date info..

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    what if we had more up to date information than you used? Is that possible? Is it possible that Bush had information that refuted his rationlae for war? Is it possible he withheld more up to date information than what clinton used 1998? Now I am surprised that you support invading a country using 5 yr old intel.. I would hope the president had a little more up to date info..
    I used information from the 90's to refute the claim that there has never been a relationship between al Qaeda and Iraq. Many, you have trouble staying on topic, don't you?

    Do you have proof that he had intelligence that refuted the belief that al Qaeda and Iraq had a relationship?

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    Wow you used conservative websites to justify bush's rationale for going war..Let me guess you can find many Fox News articles to back it up huh?
    Newsweek, ABC, and NPR are hardly "conservative" sources.

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    what does iraq have anything to do with the war on terror? other the bush stating it is... so how does this banking story (already let out of the bag by bush) affec what is going on in iraq? care to delve into this question? this letter writer is obviously a partisan with an agenda.. of course the folks who have come out of bush's adminiatration have all stated we were going into iraq no matter what and were cast aside by people like you who simply labled them as partisans with an agenda..so what is the differecne now? can i dismiss the letter writer as a partisan hack?
    Go get your hair trimmed so you can get your head out of your butt. NYT
    is wrong as two left feet. You know it, the NYT knows it and everyone
    else knows it. So stop the Bush administration BS.

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    The one who thought better of invading the country? I would hope that your boy bush would have more up to date intel than what slick willy used but considering you base your whole argument on what clinton said I guess you think the guys is not as dishonest as most of your cohorts.. you are a fan of clintons now?
    So, upon what evidence did Richard Clarke change his tune about al Qaeda and Iraq? Or, about Iraq having WMD's for that matter?

    Then, show me what changed the minds of Madelaine Albright and others from the Clinton administration that were, until after the invasion, equally convinced of Iraq's weapons and of their relationship with al Qaeda.

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    Jesus- ing-Christ, Yoni!

    Just make a ing link to the material you site everyday. Why is that a problem for you? You go thru all the trouble of quoting and bolding and italicizing, but you cant open and close an URL tag?
    What damn link. How many do you want. You don't read or what. DR
    are you that dense. No, you aren't. You just don't want to admit you are
    wrong. And you are.

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    Like I said, have the statute of limitations run out?

    First, you're treating me as if I were in a position to make that decision. (But, if I were, I would prosecute). Second, you believe this administration needs to work according to your time-table. Too bad, you're just going to have to be frustrated on that, I believe.


    The clock is ticking.

    The only legal action Bushie is going to take is pardoning Scooter on his last day in office, maybe along with some Enron goofs -- some posthumous.

    Book it.

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    Go get your hair trimmed so you can get your head out of your butt. NYT
    is wrong as two left feet. You know it, the NYT knows it and everyone
    else knows it. So stop the Bush administration BS.
    Frankly, I suspect the NYT has been hiding Saddam's WMD's and has tapes of all of the conversations between Iraqi government officials and al Queda operatives. The NYT also probably has "writers" who are serving as snipers and making IED's in various Iraqi provinces.


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    All you bunch that want to trash the Bush administration keep running the same
    old BS by everyone and it has all been established as BS. It wont fly folks. You
    got caught doing the same old junk. Iraq was up to their eyebrows in the whole
    thing. '

    And now you want to invade N. Korea. And for what. Are they involved in
    all this?

    What a bunch you all are. If you had a brain you would take it out and play with
    it.

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    So, upon what evidence did Richard Clarke change his tune about al Qaeda and Iraq? Or, about Iraq having WMD's for that matter?

    Then, show me what changed the minds of Madelaine Albright and others from the Clinton administration that were, until after the invasion, equally convinced of Iraq's weapons and of their relationship with al Qaeda.

    Well considering they were out of office and were not privy to the Daily Presidential briefs I cannot show you.. You what amazes me is the Bush can end all of this 'lying' about Iraq if he just came out and said to the American people that Congress had everything he had when they voted for the war.. looked straight into the camera and publicly stated that he gave them every bit of evidence he had both pro and con... funny how he hasn't .. Please take notice that when he comments on the intel he goes out of his way to say congress saw what he saw.. not that they saw everything he did.. very nuanced..

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    Well considering they were out of office and were not privy to the Daily Presidential briefs I cannot show you..
    So, while they were in office nad privvy to the information they believed Iraq had WMD's and a relationship with al Qaeda? But, after they no longer had access to the intelligence they were certain that no WMD's existed and that there never was a relationship between al Qaeda and Iraq? Wow, that's some logic you're employing there.

    You what amazes me is the Bush can end all of this 'lying' about Iraq if he just came out and said to the American people that Congress had everything he had when they voted for the war..
    He said that.

    looked straight into the camera and publicly stated that he gave them every bit of evidence he had both pro and con... funny how he hasn't ..
    No, not funny -- since he's already said it.

    Please take notice that when he comments on the intel he goes out of his way to say congress saw what he saw.. not that they saw everything he did.. very nuanced..
    Huh?

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