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    LMAO. Yeah that's why the Spurs were playing six deep against the Mavs.
    6 deep, huh.

    That makes a lot of sense.

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    Spurs intl scouting department sucks too.

    They've never found anyone either.

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    Spurs intl scouting department sucks too.

    They've never found anyone either.
    Okay we heard you. This thread isn't about TPark, so everyone needs to stop it on both sides.

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    People were okay getting Scola because Scola would have been backing up Tim.

    It the Spurs get this guy, then there's still no proven starting center. Supposedly the Spurs don't think Javtokas will start, so would this guy? This guy backed up by Jav, backed up by Oberto at center would be a precarious way to enter the season.
    If all three of those guys bust out and if we can't pull off a mid-season trade like 2004-05 we would be left without a center. But who are we passing up at this point in the FA process? Retread stiffs who've been let go by other teams. I wish I knew more about the writer who wrote the article, whether he was a good judge of talent. I saw some of his profiles at NBADraft.net so I guess he is like a scout/writer.

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    Is Vujcic under contract with Maccabi?

    In the latest article that mentions him (yesterday) it talks about how he is being reunited with Neven Spahija (Croatian coach), who just became Maccabi's new coach.
    I thought he had another year, but Eurobasket listed his 4-year contract ended in '06.

    Okay, so I've thought about this some more. I guess I'd prefer to see the Spurs get a more physical, experienced presence at the 5, and I really wouldn't want 3 newbies if I were the Spurs.

    So #1 Magliore - who is going to be expensive since he's an RFA but he's probably the best Center remaining. #2 Collins - would be the next best choice to fill the bill since he's had to play for a tough-minded coach and he can get off the floor somewhat. He fouls too much instead of moving his feet, IMO, but he's not soft. #3 Vujcic - is really good and has better mid-range game than the other two but he relies more on finesse with his passing and scoring skills. He's the same height as the others but he's not as strong. New to the NBA = not an immediate starter.

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    Every single player in Europe and coming out is college is "unproven". What is that the buzzword of the day? Also how did Nazr get here?

    No Sherlock. But why would you want to go into a season with three unproven centers. We are le contenders with an adequate center. If all three bust, its that much harder. At least the other available C's have proven they can play minutes in the NBA.

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    I wish I knew more about the writer who wrote the article, whether he was a good judge of talent. I saw some of his profiles at NBADraft.net so I guess he is like a scout/writer.
    Well it doesn't matter really what the writers say. He's one of the best players in Europe if he's first team All-Euroleague. That's enough to know he's a good player.

    But a lot of Euro players' game doesn't translate into success in the NBA.

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    THe guy is considered the best center in the european market.

    Now before, everyone was excited about when the Spurs would find a jewel in the nile, and get excited about the Spurs looking at someone that no one had heard of.

    Ginobili
    Javtokas
    Mahinmi.


    Now the Spurs look international again, and people say HORRIBLE!?!?


    Im just curious about that......

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    I thought he had another year, but Eurobasket listed his 4-year contract ended in '06.

    Okay, so I've thought about this some more. I guess I'd prefer to see the Spurs get a more physical, experienced presence at the 5, and I really wouldn't want 3 newbies if I were the Spurs.

    So #1 Magliore - who is going to be expensive since he's an RFA but he's probably the best Center remaining. #2 Collins - would be the next best choice to fill the bill since he's had to play for a tough-minded coach and he can get off the floor somewhat. He fouls too much instead of moving his feet, IMO, but he's not soft. #3 Vujcic - is really good and has better mid-range game than the other two but he relies more on finesse with his passing and scoring skills. He's the same height as the others but he's not as strong.
    Magloire isn't RFA. He's under contract with the Bucks.

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    THe guy is considered the best center in the european market.

    Now before, everyone was excited about when the Spurs would find a jewel in the nile, and get excited about the Spurs looking at someone that no one had heard of.

    Ginobili
    Javtokas
    Mahinmi.


    Now the Spurs look international again, and people say HORRIBLE!?!?


    Im just curious about that......
    But when Manu got here, the Spurs had players to play in front of him IN CASE he wasn't good or needed to be brought along slowly.

    It's not the same situation now. There's no one ahead of this guy on the depth chart.

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    The best thing about Collins is he's thick and strong. He helped dominate Big Ben and the Pistons and the Jazz beat Detroit both times this season. He's a great post defender and a guy who boxes out very well.

    The problem is he doesn't actually get rebounds and isn't a shot blocker. Collins is basically a smart kid who isn't scared to throw his body around and the Jazz always seem to play better when he's on the court.

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    Well it doesn't matter really what the writers say. He's one of the best players in Europe if he's first team All-Euroleague. That's enough to know he's a good player.

    But a lot of Euro players' game doesn't translate into success in the NBA.
    Oh, he's first team (how'd I miss that?) Damn. I would take him over Collins. I see your point that Collins is a proven known commodity though.

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    But when Manu got here, the Spurs had players to play in front of him IN CASE he wasn't good or needed to be brought along slowly.

    It's not the same situation now. There's no one ahead of this guy on the depth chart.
    Jax was the one ahead of him right?

    I believe the year before Spiderman owned his ass.

    Tech. we were going into that season with two unproven players at the two.

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    Magloire isn't RFA. He's under contract with the Bucks.
    My mistake...I should have looked back at the list again. Trade option only, then.

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    Jax was the one ahead of him right?

    I believe the year before Spiderman owned his ass.

    Tech. we were going into that season with two unproven players at the two.
    Spurs had Steve Smith and yes Jack if Manu failed (as he did early on in spots). This Spurs team has Oberto if Javtokas and Vujcic fail.


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    I guess that if they bring in this guy and Javtokas, they need to also get Jared Jeffries or Jumaine Jones. Then if none of the Foreign Connection can do anything at center, Tim can slide to center, JJ at PF and we can run small ball for the rest of the season

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    The best thing about Collins is he's thick and strong.
    Nikola and Collins are about the same weight.

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    Vujcic - is really good and has better mid-range game than the other two but he relies more on finesse with his passing and scoring skills. He's the same height as the others but he's not as strong.

    So hes a Pau Gasol.

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    No Sherlock. But why would you want to go into a season with three unproven centers. We are le contenders with an adequate center. If all three bust, its that much harder. At least the other available C's have proven they can play minutes in the NBA.
    Name what "adequate" centers are out there right now.

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    Spurs had Steve Smith and yes Jack if Manu failed (as he did early on in spots). This Spurs team has Oberto if Javtokas and Vujcic fail.

    Ah, Steve Smith.

    Don't remind me.

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    Nikola and Collins are about the same weight.
    One is strong, one isn't.

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    So hes a Pau Gasol.


    Gasol is the most powerful Euros in the league.

    Think along the lines of Vlade Divac.

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    Javtokas sounds to me like a cheaper better version of Jarron Collins, but can actually rebound AND block shots.

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    Vlade was a pretty strong guy.

    Only a matter of time before people start seeing the positives in Olowkandi manning the post.

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    One is strong, one isn't.
    Please don't pretend you know all about Vujcic now, I just ate.

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