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Because Elson is better than Javaktovas (in the Spurs eyes) and is a free agent?
If you get anything out of this, it should be that free agency makes a big difference in a players price.
It has been funny watching Mr. Body completely reinvent his arguement as time goes along in order to try to stay one step ahead.
But but then this, but then this, no no you don't understand its like this....
Because Elson is better than Javaktovas (in the Spurs eyes) and is a free agent?
If you get anything out of this, it should be that free agency makes a big difference in a players price.
I actually haven't reinvented my argument at all. Rather, you're coming around...
Feels good, doesn't it, swimming up to the light?
Nah. I'll never believe that. But that's an entirely different thread...
if you run around in circles enough, you get dizzy.
What exactly am I coming around to? I've changed nothing that I've stated from the very begining where you said this was a mistake back in the Butler thread. You started off with how it was obviously a miscommunication. Now you're saying that it was a mistake because of the implications it has on future signings. Actually, NOW you've changed that to say that it hasnt' hurt their overseas dealings yet, but it could if they continue it.I actually haven't reinvented my argument at all. Rather, you're coming around...
Feels good, doesn't it, swimming up to the light?
Question: If they could go back and do it again knowing what they know now, would Javaktovas accept a LLE offer at the begining of negotiations?
Nah, he would've waited to see if he could've gotten more money after Thursday. If he's the best center in Europe, you'd think Euro teams might be a little more patient with him. He and his agent got buffaloed into playing in Greece for less guaranteed money than an LLE deal would've given him and none of the potential future earnings he could've achieved by actually playing an NBA game.
That line in bold, could you justify that for me please. I know you think he's worth more than the LLE, and that you think the Spurs lowballed him. But what evidence do you have that the market would say he's worth more than the LLE and that the market would say that he got lowballed? No one's banging down the door trying to trade for his rights, so where do you get that from?
Plus, as far as the reputation for being a cheap skate goes...
I don't think it affects the Spurs' reputation as much as you say. Here's my reasoning. When a Euro player decides they want to play in the NBA, they realize that they might not be getting paid what they're worth when they are a relative unknown. Someone like RJ can get pissed and play for $1 mil a year for the rest of their career in Europe. On the other hand, they can play one or two years for less than they're worth, then when time comes to re-up, if they've been performing well, they'll cash the in and make mad bank. That much money more than makes up for the $200K they got shafted when they first came across.
That's the example that Euro players will see when they look at RJ: "Man, that guy could have been making millions like Manu if he'd just swallowed his pride and played for less than he thought he was worth. But he didn't, and he pissed away his career by being an obstinate prick."
Of course, if he gets to the NBA and turns out to be a dud, everyone will know that he wasn't worth what they thought he was at first, the Spurs won't have overpaid another ty Euro player, and all the guys over there will see that you have to actually have skills to get paid the bills.
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