[QUOTE=jochhejaam]Unless they deny it, and PDBM hasn't done so, yes, it does.
Yes (that one was easy)
They're anti-sendingourtaxdollarstoIreland. (I believe I'm aceing the test so far)
You can get "shouted at" but you really can't get "shouted down" in a blog.
On the face of it, this statement is senseless. Perhaps you can expound on this one.
You're confusing the power to take and "keep" something with the legal rights to something.
Possession is 9/10's of the law, so we do.
Unless they deny it, and PDBM hasn't done so, yes, it does.
That is your opinion……. He could deny it and it still be so…….
Yes (that one was easy)…
WOW…… If someone is anti-American.. Which race are they hating on???
If someone is anti-North Korean and pro South Korean which race are they hating??
They're anti-sendingourtaxdollarstoIreland. (I believe I'm aceing the test so far)
I guess that was suppose to pass for humor???
You can get "shouted at" but you really can't get "shouted down" in a blog.
That is a figure of speech… I guess you have never heard before….
On the face of it, this statement is senseless. Perhaps you can expound on this one.
It is as senseless as your 9/10 of the law…. Any country rules some land by one right… And that is might… Throughout history lands have changed hands and rulers and they will control the land as long as they are strong enough to hold on to it… When they are no longer able to hold on to it they will be usurped by someone that is…
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DO they have some “right” to that land………. Yea as long as they have the power to keep it……
You're confusing the power to take and "keep" something with the legal rights to something.
I am confusing nothing………. What is legal??? Who is to say what is legal?? You?? The British??? The legality like the rules are defined by the victor….. There is no divine set of rules………..
Possession is 9/10's of the law, so we do.
HAHAHheeee….. By what “RIGHT” do we have it………….??? How does that differ from might makes right……??? You can’t have it both ways……….
I understand they have no tanks or sophisticated weaponry. I have personnal expeience in the necessity of using what you have. What is occurring in the middle east is similar to what so many suffered in Belfast. When a people force their will on another people, it changes your perspective.
But I can tell you this Doc, the fact that so many women and children were killed in that one strike is extremly telling.............Where were all the men?
Look deeper to find the answer.
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How does being give a piece of land by the United Nations, the size of New Jersey, equate to oppression of Arabs and Palestinians? And how does that parceling of land justify unabated attacks on Israel?The UN gave them the land??? By what right does the British or the UN or anyone have to give away that land to someone else???
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You ever heard of the Belfour agreement..........??? You might want to get some history background first.............
If you "colonize" the land of someone else they are not going to be happy about it.. Regardless what you or I, the British or the UN thinks about it..
Like all the rest of the colonized ppl they are going to resist... By any means necessary...
I would hope they would find a way to take the high road similar to MLK, Gandhi and such.......... But I guess they are a little pissed off...
You can understand how the Israelis are pissed but unable to see how the colonized Arabs view it...
Were the American Indians terrorist for fighting for “their land”???
[QUOTE=jochhejaam]I can help you out here Doc, Hezbulloh kidnapped them.
You cited the missle signing as "the height of inhumanity", I'll use whatever I feel necessary to expose how utterly asinine and ridiculous your statement was.
No one's arguing that. However if Hezubollah had not kidnapped the Israeli's and if they weren't presently indiscriminately firing 100 missles daily into Israel this discussion wouldn't be necessary. Any thoughts on hezbulloh's tatics and policies since your so concerned about the reasons for the inhumanity being shown in the conflict? (There's irony in having to solicit that from someone that claims to look at all sides of inhumanity)
I fully support your right to reply to my thoughts in any way you wish.
Why did they kidnap them????No one's arguing that. However if Hezubollah had not kidnapped the Israeli'sand if they weren't presently indiscriminately firing 100 missles daily into Israel this discussion wouldn't be necessary. Any thoughts on hezbulloh's tatics and policies since your so concerned about the reasons for the inhumanity being shown in the conflict? (There's irony in having to solicit that from someone that claims to look at all sides of inhumanity)
It was simply for a prisoner exchange.. Why??? To get back some of their ppl that have been in jail for years without charges being brought against them and without due process……….
So then were the mass arrests and jailing without trial responsible for the dumb ass act of grabbing a few soldiers for exchange………. ???
When you turn a blind eye to the acts of one side…… You are able to only see one side…
History did not begin on that day… The causes go back a long way…
How many civilians, women and children have died thus far in Lebanon?? Israel has guided missiles and the best rockets the USA can provide and yet has killed 10 times more civilians then the arbitrary firing of the crude rockets into Israel…WTF
Just a thought…………”You notice the speck in the eye of your neighbor and yet do not notice the log in your own eye……….”
I like how the United States always ends up getting blamed somehow for every incident:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Qa...tions_.5B14.5D
Me neither, I would wrap them in TNT like any parent should.
I guess it is like this......... If Syria and or Iran sell weapons to those "most of the world" consider as a non-terrorist org they are @ fault and face getting bombed...
But if innocent ppl are killed with bombs produced in the USA a different set of standards are used................
Good for them. They been taking too much over the years and it's payback.
There is plenty of info. Here are the first three that came up in Google. Seriously, some of you mother ers had better think twice before labeling something "sick".Really???? There must be plenty of info on that... Why not post some.... Maybe they don't have the boogey-man there yet..........
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Pa...sd&ID=SP105305
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Pa...=sd&ID=SP15000
http://www.pmw.org.il/LatestBulletins.htm
Here's a snippet from Wikipedia.
Modern Blood libels In Arab and Muslim nations
Blood libel stories have appeared a number of times in the state-sponsored media of a number of Arab and Muslim nations, their television shows and websites. Books promoting the myth of Jewish blood libel are not uncommon.
The Matzah Of Zion was written by the Syrian Defense Minister, Mustafa Tlass in 1983. The book concentrates on two issues: the alleged murder of Father Toma in Damascus, Syria in 1840, and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. On October 21, 2002, the London based Arabic paper Al-Hayat reported that the book was undergoing its eighth reprint and was being translated into English, French, and Italian.
In 2001 an Egyptian film company produced and aired a film called Horseman Without a Horse, partly based on Tlass's book. The book was cited at a United Nations conferences in 1991 by a Syrian delegate.
Some Arab writers have condemned these blood libels. The Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram published a series of articles by Osam Al-Baz, a senior advisor to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. Amongst other things, Osam Al-Baz explained the origins of the anti-Jewish blood libel. He said that Arabs and Muslims have never been anti-Semitic, as a group, but accepted that a few Arab writers and media figures attack Jews "on the basis of the racist fallacies and myths that originated in Europe". He urged people not to suc b to "myths" such as the blood libel. (Source: Al-Ahram Weekly Online, January 2-8, 2003 (Issue No. 619), [2]
Multiple branches of the Syrian government, including the Damascus Police Command and the Department of Antiquities and Museums, the security ministry, the culture ministry, created an anti-Semitic television TV series called Ash-Shatat ("The Diaspora".) This series originally aired in Syria and in Lebanon late 2003, and was broadcast by Al-Manar, a satellite television network owned by Hezbollah. This TV series is based on the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, shows the Jewish people as engaging in a conspiracy to rule the world, and presents Jews as people who murder Christian children, drain their blood, and use this blood to bake matzah. This TV series was also recently (October 2005) shown in Jordan, on the satellite network Al-Mamnou. After complaints to the Jordanian government from Jewish organizations in the United States, the Jordanian government had the network stop televising the program. (source [3], [4], [5])
On December 20, 2005, in a discussion with Iranian political analysts aired on Jaam-e Jam 2 Iranian TV, the author of the book The History of the Jews who works for the Tehran Times Dr. Hasan Hanizadeh said in particular:
"Unfortunately, the West has forgotten two horrendous incidents, carried out by the Jews in 19th-century Europe - in Paris and London, to be precise. In 1883, about 150 French children were murdered in a horrible way in the suburbs of Paris, before the Jewish Passover holiday. Later research showed that the Jews had killed them and taken their blood. ... A similar incident took place in London, when many English children were killed by Jewish rabbis. ..."[6]
In a twist on the libel of Jews using blood in matzah, a Passover food, in 2002, a Saudi newspaper http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr...1/posts?page=2 claimed that Jews use blood in hamantashen, triangular cookies eaten on the Jewish holiday of Purim. The story celebrated on Purim, recounted in the Book of Esther, takes place in ancient Persia (modern-day Iran).
A 2004 story from Iran speaks of Jewish doctors stealing the eyes of Palestinian children in Israeli hospitals: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBu...20041223c.html
Oh I guess that is a good reason to kill all those kids in Lebanon.... Thnx for posting it
Oh I guess you aren't going to admit that you don't know everything. Thanks for wasting everyone's time.
Don’t you think we have all heard those stupid and might I say irrelevant points before??? The fact that you have even bothered to post them seems ridiculous……
What relevance could that possibly have to anything on this topic………..??
Come on kid try and keep up…
Oh, and I never claimed to know everything…. But I damn sure know killing hundreds of innocent civilians is not going to help Lebanon or Israel…..
So far olmert’s defense of his manhood to the homeboys has brought about cooperation and talks of reconciliation between Sunni and Shia and the elevation of the status of pissbalah in the Arab world……… That seem less like a solution and more like shooting yourself in the foot……..
^Dude, go play your cello.
I don't know why you're overworked over all of this. THe Israelis don't provoke violence. It's the arabs.
This isn't the first time Israel has dealt with these problems, they happen year after year.
If you want less atrocities like these to occur, don't try to hold back the Israelis, the UN should pressure the arab world to respect the damn treaties they signed of peace, if not, send a peacekeeping force that will enforce those damn treaties.
Otherwise, you sound naive.
And i agree, israel's reactions are not dispraportional to the offense, but israel has held back, and when you keep throwing pebbles at a giant he will crush you.
Morale of the story kids is, Accept your defeat and go on with your lives.
Lol…… Hahaheeeeee it is all the other guys fault…^Dude, go play your cello.
I don't know why you're overworked over all of this. THe Israelisdon't provoke violence. It's the arabs
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This isn't the first time Israel
If you want less atrocities like these to occur, don't try to hold back the Israelis
Otherwise, you sound naive.
And i agree, israel's
Morale of the story kids is, Accept your defeat and go on with your lives.
Ever wonder why they have to deal with it year after year??? The Arabs are not going to ever give up till they get back their holy land…
What treaties where those you are referring to that the Arabs signed giving their land to Israel???? Talk about naïve…. You have no idea what you are even talking about…
The moral of the story is: If you go out and colonize someone else’s land expect them to fight to get it back….. See: Africa, Asia, American Indians etc…
Rather than crush pissbalah they have now elevated their status in the Arab world… The Arabs will never give up “their holy land”……. So the giant can do what he wants with America’s blessing but in the end I believe the perseverance of the Arabs will prevail….
Wrong. They won't give up until the Jews are dead. The land for Israel was purchased from the Turks and the area concerned was historically referred to as "greater syria" by the arabs, who never considered it much of anything. If you are going to throw the term "holy land" around, then you might want to peruse Genesis 15:18-21, which predates the entire religion of Islam by about a thousand years.
And the reason they have to deal with it year after year is because of people making them stop defending themselves, only to be attacked again and again from the same territory in Lebanon where the PLO gained all their momentum.
80 percent of the land in the Palestine mandate was used to create what is now Jordan, and Jewish immigration was forbidden from the moment it was created, a violation of the Balfour Declaration, which stated that it wouldn't do anything to interfere with the status or rights of anyone living in Palestine.
Okay, except that you have it backwards. Israel are the Indians, and they're in their equivalent of Indian Territory, and we all know what happened to that.
Actually, the way that Hezbollah's status elevates is when the world community forces Israel to stop bombing Hezbollah. What the Arabs will never give up is the goal to wipe out the Jews. It's funny that you would refer to Israel as "the giant" when it's surrounded by the majority of 1.4 billion muslims who want nothing more than the death of every Jew on the planet.Rather than crush pissbalah they have now elevated their status in the Arab world… The Arabs will never give up “their holy land”……. So the giant can do what he wants with America’s blessing but in the end I believe the perseverance of the Arabs will prevail….
Time for you to come up with a solution. What should Israel do?
It may be overstating the case to say that the Arabs' goal is to exterminate the Jews. Iran is as virulently anti-Israel as any Arab country, but their own Iranian Jews they happily keep as officially discriminated-against dhimmis.
The destruction of the Jewish state is their goal, because they view that land as non-negotiable Dar-al-Islam. They would be pleased merely to persecute the Jews, rather than slaughter them outright.
Point taken.
True.......... Not every player has the same goal....... I think there are many Palestinians willing to live along side Israel if they can get a viable en y in which to support their families.... That is considering that Jerusalem is made an international city.....
When the conflict began the states lined up against Israel were sectarian… Now the conflict has evolved to have the religious wackO’s playing a major role with one expressed goal the return of “their holy land”…….
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Your bull is unworthy of response……..When you are ready to be real please feel free to join in……. Oh and thanX for playing…………
I quote you history and do ented fact, and you gloss over it. This is the third time that you have absolutely nothing substantive to bring other than your commitment to ignorance.Your bull is unworthy of response……..
It's overstating the case simply because it assumes that all arabs are muslim and insofar as exterminating the state of Israel and enslaving the women and children, as is the stated right of a conquering army by the Koran, is not technically extermination.
It is something of a lose/lose situation for the Israelis.
I think that the consequences of doing nothing in the face of Hezbullah are more severe for Israel than what they are doing.
The talks of sunni/shia reconcilliation may be there, but the fact that Hezbullah is NOT a government makes other governments a tad nervous.
Hezbullah is seen (rightly in my opinion) as an extension of Iran and an attempt by Iran to increase its own influence. There may be some sunni/shia rapproachment but there will never be any active support for Hezbullah from Sunni governments outside of Syria
That is true............There are no simple answers here...... War now days is live and every detail is questioned and probed......
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