Another mother who should be shot...

[Mixability]

What about that makes you think she is partly to blame for the crime? Your reasoning makes no sense to me.

IF, BIG IF, she knew what she was doing, then she was a pros ute working for her Mom.

if she didn't, then God help her, she'll need major counseling.

[2Blonde]

1) I'm a guy and I was 15 at one point - always pissed me off that people still saw me as a kid.

2) No, I'm not but I interact with a family member who is that age quite a bit - and hear the things she's done and is willing to do ... which I try and talk her out of. Her friends have always said they don't care about sex, because it's just that ... sex. You have a girl that age, am I right? You probably raised her good - and she doesn't think like that ... unfortunately, my her parents are and treat both her and her brother like ... so like I said, I'm not ing dismissing the fact that this is probably her parents fault, BUT SHE CAN MAKE A CONCIOUS DECISION FOR HERSELF. Or do you still think they can't?

I'm trying to raise her right, but believe me every 15 year old girl on this planet thinks about sex! That's called hormones. The raising right part is where you are trying to teach them to hold off on doing anything about it until they are both emotionally and physically ready to handle it. Which hopefully won't be until they are adults.
And I don't think a conscious decision made by a 15 year old is a rational decision. I am basing that on my daughter. She comes up with ideas for things all times that she claims are well thought out that are so freaking insane that I would be put away if I let her do them, and yet she thinks they are perfectly rational. Of course I'm going to let her and a dozen of her closest 14 & 15 year old friends go to a battle of the bands totally unsupervised for 16 hours that has a mosh pit with alcohol involved and no age limit but I can trust them. They wouldn't do anything wrong. She swears. Oh yeah, and she would promise not to take off the tank top she is going to wear over her bikini top that she is also wearing because it's supposed to get so hot there. She'll also take out the trash, not talk back and mop the floors, please, please, please???? NOT!!!! That is trip inside the mind of a teenage girl.

[Mixability]

Very true...Paed.


Listen to what you guys are saying...

Then think about if you had a daughter...

You have a 15 year old and you don't care if she's getting ed by some s bag...becaus she's old enough to know better?

No scratch that...you don't care if your wife s her out?

What...if your 15 year old wants some attention from Daddy you going to give it to her? I mean she's old enough to make her own decisions right?


Stupid.

They were stupid parents, THAT we all agree on. She shouldnt be ing at 15 regardless. I'd hope my daughter would know better, but any of our daughters WOULD know better. People like these make their kids like this. They grow up to not know better. To not care about anything but doing what Mommy and Daddy says. I think I realize the other side of the argument now.

[tlongII]

IF, BIG IF, she knew what she was doing, then she was a pros ute working for her Mom.

if she didn't, then God help her, she'll need major counseling.

It doesn't matter if she knew what she was doing...in fact I think she probably did since she signed that bogus contract. She's a 15 year-old that wants new clothes, piercings, whatever and her desire for "stuff" allowed those s bags to take advantage of her. She could be for all I know, but she still can in no way be held accountable for this episode.

[Mixability]

I'm trying to raise her right, but believe me every 15 year old girl on this planet thinks about sex! That's called hormones. The raising right part is where you are trying to teach them to hold off on doing anything about it until they are both emotionally and physically ready to handle it. Which hopefully won't be until they are adults.
And I don't think a conscious decision made by a 15 year old is a rational decision. I am basing that on my daughter. She comes up with ideas for things all times that she claims are well thought out that are so freaking insane that I would be put away if I let her do them, and yet she thinks they are perfectly rational. Of course I'm going to let her and a dozen of her closest 14 & 15 year old friends go to a battle of the bands totally unsupervised for 16 hours that has a mosh pit with alcohol involved and no age limit but I can trust them. They wouldn't do anything wrong. She swears. Oh yeah, and she would promise not to take off the tank top she is going to wear over her bikini top that she is also wearing because it's supposed to get so hot there. She'll also take out the trash, not talk back and mop the floors, please, please, please???? NOT!!!! That is trip inside the mind of a teenage girl.

I basing my argument on what I'd expect out of MY daughter too. That's where I went wrong. Imagine we had the mental capabilities of the two moron parents, then how COULDN'T our child be ed up. It's sad really.

I'd raise my daughter to know what's right and wrong. The girl in this situation didn't have that privelege. I don't think she's to blame anymore.

[Mixability]

It doesn't matter if she knew what she was doing...in fact I think she probably did since she signed that bogus contract. She's a 15 year-old that wants new clothes, piercings, whatever and her desire for "stuff" allowed those s bags to take advantage of her. She could be for all I know, but she still can in no way be held accountable for this episode.

She won't be held accountable regardless of if she knew or not, I agree, which is ed up, because down the road, who knows how HER kids will turn out.

[dougp]

She won't be held accountable regardless of if she knew or not, I agree, which is ed up, because down the road, who knows how HER kids will turn out.

The catch here Danyo, is everyone is too in ignorant in this thread to realize that we AGREE WITH THEM THAT THE PARENTS ARE ENTIRELY TO BLAME. They're just too blind to realize that 15 year olds can have minds of their own and can think to themselves, "Well let's see ... I'm horny, I can a dude and get clothes/any piercing I want ... THEN, I can turn him & my mother in, take the innocent victim side."

But, they won't get it ... there's really no point in arguing it because they're going to continue to be ignorant to the fact that there could be a possibility. , I only brought it up because I saw it on fark and thought it'd be interesting to discuss ... now it's just turned into a flame war because some people can't realize .

[whottt]

Dark Reign...those Columbine Kid ed up...

But the difference between those kids and this one...

The parents weren't participating in what those kids did...in this one they were encouraging it and taking full advatange of it.

I mean c'mon...

If she goes out and starts picking up tricks on her own...ok her bad.

In this case her freaking parents were the ones selling and buying her...

There's no excusing it...

And just think if this dumb had gotten her pregnant...

How'd you like to grow up with your sister as your mom?

[2Blonde]

They were stupid parents, THAT we all agree on. She shouldnt be ing at 15 regardless. I'd hope my daughter would know better, but any of our daughters WOULD know better. People like these make their kids like this. They grow up to not know better. To not care about anything but doing what Mommy and Daddy says. I think I realize the other side of the argument now.

Danyo,
On a side note, you brought up a very interesting question for me. How often do we tell our kids to listen to us and do what we say? The old "Because I said so, that's why!" & "I'm your mother and you'll do as I say". I remember hearing those things growing up and I know I've said them to my child as well. Are we sabotaging our children's independent thinking when we talk to the like that?

[whottt]

The catch here Danyo, is everyone is too in ignorant in this thread to realize that we AGREE WITH THEM THAT THE PARENTS ARE ENTIRELY TO BLAME. They're just too blind to realize that 15 year olds can have minds of their own and can think to themselves, "Well let's see ... I'm horny, I can a dude and get clothes/any piercing I want ... THEN, I can turn him & my mother in, take the innocent victim side."

But, they won't get it ... there's really no point in arguing it because they're going to continue to be ignorant to the fact that there could be a possibility. , I only brought it up because I saw it on fark and thought it'd be interesting to discuss ... now it's just turned into a flame war because some people can't realize .

The Law doesn't agree with you...and neither will most doctors or most of society.

Parents aren't always responsible for the actions of their children...true enough. But Parents are responsible for doing everything in their power to guide their children...and these parents don't have a leg to stand on.

When they sign the damn contract to buy and sell her they become totally accountable.

She is totally without blame in this...and they are beyond all doubt 100% responsible in this case.

And there's no legitimate argument you can make against it...medically, morally, legally...

[tlongII]

This is true - but I'd say not many would sign a freakin contract though, right? I mean c'mon, you gotta admit that is one f'ed up part of the story.

Outside of that, it's a normal case of stat. rape ... but because of that portion of the contract, I feel she's a bit obliged as well to share in some of the punishment ... though could probably get off on what you said.

She was coerced into signing the contract probably by the "ooo i get new clothes and get to pierce myself" thing going on.

You still seem to think I don't think it was possible that she's innocent - but I do. I just think that someone should kinda investigate it and determine that maybe she is partially to blame?

[dougp]

The Law doesn't agree with you...and neither will most doctors or most of society.

Parents aren't always responsible for the actions of their children...true enough. But Parents are responsible for doing everything in their power to guide their children...and these parents don't have a leg to stand on.

When they sign the damn contract to buy and sell her they become totally accountable.

She is totally without blame in this...and they are beyond all doubt 100% responsible in this case.

And there's no legitimate argument you can make against it...medically, morally, legally...

Actually you could make a medical reason for doing what she did - whether it's depression or just hormones in general.

We never argued that it was moral or legal bro ... just saying that the girl might be ed up in the head enough to think she could come out in the good at the end ...

[MoSpur]

Who gives a crap whethere she knew what she was doing? It isn't right. She is 15. She probably wasn't brought up in a good home. If her mother was willing to let her daughter have sex with her boyfriend, the girl probably didn't have a good upbringing. The situation is wrong and disgusting. Just because the girl may have known what she was doing doesn't make it right.

[Mixability]

If she goes out and starts picking up tricks on her own...ok her bad.

IF?

[Mixability]

Danyo,
On a side note, you brought up a very interesting question for me. How often do we tell our kids to listen to us and do what we say? The old "Because I said so, that's why!" & "I'm your mother and you'll do as I say". I remember hearing those things growing up and I know I've said them to my child as well. Are we sabotaging our children's independent thinking when we talk to the like that?

I myself wouldn't tell them exactly what to do and what not to do. I would think raising them with common sense and intelligence and we should be able to trust our parenting skills enough to let them make their own decisions. I for example wasn't brought up with a curfew when I started high school. The only implications my parents made were that I make excellent grades in school. I graduated in the top 5% of my class and thats with partying on school nights and doing whatever else I wanted. They KNEW me to know that I'd value my education enough to not it up. And no matter what whott says, I think I turned out alright.

[MoSpur]

A 15 year old can make a lot of decisions and knows right from wrong. No doubt. However, two older people. People who lived with her. One of which is her mom, took advantage of her child's age and agreed to let her boyfriend have sex with her. That is wrong. Don't try to twist or flip it. Its wrong. Two adults who know better than the child took advantage.

[whottt]

Actually you could make a medical reason for doing what she did - whether it's depression or just hormones in general.

That wouldn't excuse the parents...it would incriminate them even more.

We never argued that it was moral or legal bro ... just saying that the girl might be ed up in the head enough to think she could come out in the good at the end ...

And her parents encouraged it....

[Gatita]

[dougp]