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A pitty. Although we don’t always agree, I enjoy reading what you have to say on the different topics in the political forum.
Of course I do
Find a post of mine where I try to “shove my beliefs down people’s throats”, like boutons enjoys pointing out of whoever hints he/she believes in a Higher Being.
I know where I stand on this topic and, again, I don’t think I’ve ever taken boutons extreme position of insulting the living daylights out of everyone who does not agree with his religious position.
A pitty. Although we don’t always agree, I enjoy reading what you have to say on the different topics in the political forum.
This thread is rockin'!!
w00t!
I do enjoy this immensely. One shouldnt take all this stuff so seriously. When you die, youll find out the truth. Wait until then.
If I'm wrong... nothing will happen.
But if 'belief in salvation through GOD' was right... some of you all (I don't know who -- only you do) will not get the chance to remediate or recant your decisions.
Last edited by hegamboa; 08-21-2006 at 11:23 AM.
No offense, than that is a God I dont much care about, personally. I am who I am. Never killed anyone, etc. If that isnt good enough, that to be accepted I must conform to popular cults....piss on it.
See everyone else in .
That's not a place you should take lightly.
I don't remember the part about conforming to a popular cult. I don't conform very well.
(The following is in jest) If you are feeling noncomformist, you could join some obscure church with very few members. Hey, you're in Michigan... join the Maronites! All the hummus and baklava you can eat...
That's an impressive statement. Mind if I borrow it for a very important upcoming job interview?
If it isn't good enough and I must conform to get the job then piss on it.
Oh what this has turned into.
I blame boutons.
If entry to Heaven (by your definition) is more likened to a job interview than a rite of passage, then yes, your God.
I lived a full life, helped others and family, sinned no more or less than anyone else, pretty much floated thru, taking it all in as I went.
If my life isnt "good enough" than I dont give a . I will not worship with popular cults, ahem, I mean organized religion. I will not kneel before another human for any reason...ever. I will not declare any one faith to be the true faith in my life. I have my faith, and mine alone. I do not share it with others, I do not actively challenge those who differ.
This is my creed and my decison. If He truly is as irrational as you all propose, than He knew what He was getting into when he gave me free will. Like I said, life is not an interview. This is not a job or some entry exam. And if you truly live your life like it is, JJ, then I pity you.
Nor do I. We render no hommage to humans. Only GOD.
Popular religion is just that. At a time, all organized religions were just small cults. They just grew in popularity and somehow along the way became legitimate. Its all still bull , IMO.
You dont have to preface sarcasm, I understand it perfectly. I am not familiar with the Maronites though. I have never been compelled to research religion at all. I tried reading the Bible once, to broaden my understanding. After realizing some people actually believe this hogwash halway thru Genesis, I put it down and took a long, hot shower and abruptly stopped laughing. That was 10 year ago. (dont ask me recite any passages, no interest and 10 years later)(The following is in jest) If you are feeling noncomformist, you could join some obscure church with very few members. Hey, you're in Michigan... join the Maronites! All the hummus and baklava you can eat...
Are you Catholic?
I am, or should I say, thats what I was baptized as.
I know Catholicism isnt as big in the South (ie nonexistent, you WASP mother ers), but I thought you (boa) dont live in America? Latin America?
Are you Catholic?
I am, or should I say, thats what I was baptized as.
I know Catholicism isnt as big in the South (ie nonexistent, you WASP mother ers
I was born in Mexico. Lived in Corpus Christi, Texas since the age of 5 (Look at the le I was given under my username).
I'm a Christian first and foremost. My congregation is affiliated with the Southern Baptists.
Thank you for answering. Obviously being Catholic, I see many who worship another human. Either way, I may have my fault of going out of my way to be different, but organised religion isnt of any interest to me. I dont care to feel embraced, I dont long for ritual or conformity. I dont care to feel accepted by others of similar worship and I dont care how they feel my soul will be judged by their God.
I know my peace with God and that is all that matters. The standards by which another feels I should attain are little more than hot air from insignificant sources. To be filed under the same advice I get from TV personalities, a tail party joke.
And that's fine. You've obviously placed more thought on your decisions and your beliefs than others. But I disagree with the notion that fellowship = conformity. Furthermore, the 'kindest', 'nicest', 'goodest' person you can think of, fill in the blank "______," is still vile and corrupt before GOD.
The only thing that allows us to enter GOD's presence is the fact that our atonement was paid for with the ultimate price -- the blood of Christ. It took the death of GOD, to atone for the sins that only He, and His sacrifice alone could redeem. Nothing else short of this requirement would have accomplished the task.
This sacrifice is what allows us an eternal place in GOD's glory -- for those who are willing to accept this gratuitous gift. We don't have to do anything other than just recieve it [gift of salvation] by faith... Those who told you, that you had to conform to this or that were wrong. Your life is transformed by the power of GOD and guidance from above, should you earnestly seek it, will compel you to do what is right before GOD's eyes... not those of people around you. After all, we should aim to please GOD alone, not human critics.
See, what you don't realize is that I too am a non-comformist. Because those who seek to please GOD and not themselves are in the 'minority' not the 'majority'.
Last edited by hegamboa; 08-22-2006 at 11:14 AM.
I' a Catholic and for the record, we don't worship any other human being.
Travis, where the are you?
LOL...thats all interpretation. Do you bow before the Pope? Yes.
I will never do that. Ever.
EDITED: To be specific, I speak of when devout Catholics go to the Vatican. Or when Pope John Paul came to Detroit when I was a child. My fiances' ex-boyfriend actually got to meet and greet the Pope. He is 100% Polish, 1st generation. Might have had something to do with it.
Last edited by DarkReign; 08-22-2006 at 12:46 PM.
Disagree. Human flaw does not allow the total disregard of your fellow man's opinion. I am a prime example, for all my hoopla about conformity and such, I still own a 60 widescreen hi def TV because its an awesome picture and its really very cool. Im 26 and live in a house twice the size of any house my parents have ever lived in much less owned. Sure, these things can be justified as self-gratification, but who doesnt get a slight rise out of seeing your peers ogle your belongings. The cool car is as much for the owner as it is for the onlooker. Bit of ego exists in all man, even the most pious and humble.
Now this may be true. If you truly live every waking moment trying to please God instead of yourself, I am not sure thats a life I even begin to understand or could even pretend to enjoy. I stay with my wife because thats what God wants, it pleases him. Nevermind shes ing the poolboy, stealing money from me, and beats the kids. That lifestyle is full of falacies. Moral potholes that every individual encounters walking thru life.See, what you don't realize is that I too am a non-comformist. Because those who seek to please GOD and not themselves are in the 'minority' not the 'majority'.
To truly live such a way is impossible. Maybe not to personal shortcomings (no offense, but I doubt that highly), but to outside influences alone. You cant control those around you and like it or not they (us) have a direct bearing on your everyday decisons. Thats the exact fallacy that religion tends to ignore directly, but addresses thru fellowship. Living and socializing amongst people like yourself solves alot of that very problem.
Which is why I detest it. The world isnt perfect, nor should it ever strive to be. Pleasing God sounds all well and good, but when your standards for excellence are entirely wishful, youre setting yourself up for failure.
Its not so much the "risk of being wrong", thats easy, I am wrong everyday. Being right has its pitfalls, too. If the way I live is wrong, bottom line, I dont want to be right. This life is assured, its guaranteed. The afterlife is not.
not to mention being good for the sake of being good is moraly superior to being good to please your god.
I believe it is implied. GOD's precepts just provide the standard.
Last edited by hegamboa; 08-22-2006 at 03:53 PM.
is's not standard, it's rule(s).
I hope you didn't feel as if I was claiming to have attained 'perfection'... Life is a marathon that requires attributes of patience, restraint, comprehension, and sacrifice to get through the strife-causing hurdles that befall our paths. I look towards Christ's example - His perfection gives us hope that we can overcome our troubles if and when our faith is placed on GOD.
You're right though... the world isn't perfect, it's not peaceful, it's very corrupt, it's complicated, it's greedy, it's lustful, and filled with deceptions of all levels. GOD however, has promised us an inner peace, 'that defies all human understanding'. Again, all He seeks is a personal relationship with people. If you believe you are right with GOD, he will always be listening. You don't necessarily have to join any 'group' or congregation for this to happen... Your approach however, has to be genuine.
Bowing before the Pope does not mean we worship the Pope.
British dudes bow before the queen. I don’t believe they worship her.
No, no, no...not at all. I havent entered this conversation to hurl insults or say "Youre wrong, Im right! HA!"
I am not reading into anything you have written beyond exactly what you have written.
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