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    One reason these things aren't as important here is because Americans automaticaly assume they are the best. Seriously, we don't care how much we stack up against other teams because we feel we're the best hands down. Even when we don't win these compe ions, we never for a second think Argentina is better....
    I don't know where this these differences come from, but exist.

    Sometimes our passion becomes crazy a Football (your soccer) game between ARG against BRA is always an EVENT for us, we only want to defeat them as much as they want to defeat us.

    I do not travel so much to say this happen in every corner of the planet, but sounds like that for me; when we heard that some NBA's star says "oh .. Dear I won't go there because I am tired or the food is not ok", or whatever reason; for mostly of non USA people sounds xtrange.

    Some of the players that are nominated for NT aren't my favorites in the local tournament, but since he/she is playing for NT automatically I support them, I think in some cultures the NT is one of those things that unify the country.

    Like my sister in law said (she's from States) "You have to see to believe, you even have a metro that works and smell godd"

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    One reason these things aren't as important here is because Americans automaticaly assume they are the best. Seriously, we don't care how much we stack up against other teams because we feel we're the best hands down. Even when we don't win these compe ions, we never for a second think Argentina is better.

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    I wouldn't trade the Spurs le for Olympic Gold, but if I was a player, I would cherish the Olympic Gold way more than an NBA le.
    The only reason that might be true is that it is a lot harder to make the US Olympic team than to be on the roster of an NBA champion.

    Having said that, you really think Barkley, Stockton, or Malone wouldn't give up their gold medals in a nanosecond in exchange for an NBA le? I bet they would.

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    local/national?

    YES. I would think it would be better if my local basketball club who is not even in 1.League to be the Euroleague champions. And after that I would want Slovenia to win the Olympics, and then I would like the Spurs to be the NBA champions.

    BTW, I would like Olimpija in football and basketball become the world club champions.
    It is not important what are you aspiring to. It is just about what can really happen.
    The world doesn't have a world club championship but in football. And that is like ultra special and unique place for any club to be in. Won't happen. Spurs can happen. Slovenia might someday happen. Local? Nah.

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    One reason these things aren't as important here is because Americans automaticaly assume they are the best. Seriously, we don't care how much we stack up against other teams because we feel we're the best hands down. Even when we don't win these compe ions, we never for a second think Argentina is better.
    Nice generalization

    No, it's country first (National Team), Spurs second.
    That's pretty much what I'm saying...if it's not out of line to ask, how did you become a Spurs fan?

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    damn... shooga made some damn good points up in here.

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    Nice generalization
    And how else do you address large groups of people? In generalizations. Are you saying that Americans do not think they are the best in basketball?

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    The only reason that might be true is that it is a lot harder to make the US Olympic team than to be on the roster of an NBA champion.

    Having said that, you really think Barkley, Stockton, or Malone wouldn't give up their gold medals in a nanosecond in exchange for an NBA le? I bet they would.
    I don't know. I would like to think it'd be a tough decision, and maybe it would, but in the end I feel you're right.

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    Shooger brings a good point, but with the US it's a little different. Winning international basketball games really isn't that important to them considering that they have dominated the out of the world for decades, and the whole world still knows that the best players in the world are mostly Americans.


    I think a lot of it has to do with the size of the country in population, and the population itself. There's like 300 million people in the US, but out of all of them, how many are hispanic, black, asian, or from any other part of the world??? The population is so diverse in the US that you can't really establish unity and like that. Most countries are a lot smaller in population, and if they aren't (China, India, etc), everyone in the country is basically the same race.

    Do you guys get where I'm getting at???

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    Shooger brings a good point, but with the US it's a little different. Winning international basketball games really isn't that important to them considering that they have dominated the out of the world for decades, and the whole world still knows that the best players in the world are mostly Americans.


    I think a lot of it has to do with the size of the country in population, and the population itself. There's like 300 million people in the US, but out of all of them, how many are hispanic, black, asian, or from any other part of the world??? The population is so diverse in the US that you can't really establish unity and like that. Most countries are a lot smaller in population, and if they aren't (China, India, etc), everyone in the country is basically the same race.

    Do you guys get where I'm getting at???
    I think thats pretty valid, but there are definetly things that bond Americans together, but they usually don't have to do with sports.

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    The China and India-same race stuff is stretched.
    Americans are as patriotic as any other nation no matter the diversity.

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    Yeah, things that bond Americans together are like American Idol.

    I agree with Alvie. If the US had been struggling to win Olympic medals for years, then it would mean much more to us.

    Maybe in another 10 years, or when the NBA becomes the IBA and the semifinals are between the winners of the North American, South American, European, and Asia/African Conferences then we'll be talking different.

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    Alvarez,
    The China and India-same race stuff is stretched.
    Not really stretched, over 90% of China is Han Chinese.

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    10% of Chinese is a considerable amount of people, more than 1/3 of US population.

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    10% of Chinese is a considerable amount of people, more than 1/3 of US population.
    Number of people, of course. But a huge majority, 90%, of the country is of one ethnicity.

    I think that was the point.

    Han Chinese 91.9%, Zhuang, Uygur, Hui, Yi, Tibetan, Miao, Manchu, Mongol, Buyi, Korean, and other nationalities 8.1%

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    And of those 8.1%, they still are asian, and look pretty similar, not to be an asshole.


    It's not like 90% of China is Han Chinese, and the other 10% is black.

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    And of those 8.1%, they still are asian, and look pretty similar, not to be an asshole.


    It's not like 90% of China is Han Chinese, and the other 10% is black.
    Oh man, sometimes it is better to quit while you're ahead. If you don't think Korean, Japanese and Chinese people are very different you're very wrong.

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    And of those 8.1%, they still are asian, and look pretty similar, not to be an asshole...
    Alvie...you should know when to stop.

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    And how else do you address large groups of people? In generalizations. Are you saying that Americans do not think they are the best in basketball?
    You may think Americans are the best/ are not the best at basketball and that's fine. Everyone's en led to their own opinion, but you need not speak for anyone else, much less an entire nation.

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    That's pretty much what I'm saying
    We are saying two different things.

    ...if it's not out of line to ask, how did you become a Spurs fan?
    It's not, although I'm sure you know the answer. Because of Manu.

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    I agree with Alvie. If the US had been struggling to win Olympic medals for years, then it would mean much more to us.
    Shoog, this is pretty much what I said and you brushed me off

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    We are saying two different things.



    It's not, although I'm sure you know the answer. Because of Manu.
    You watch the Spurs because of Manu..Manu plays for your country..with all due respect, how are we conveying different messages?

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    You may think Americans are the best/ are not the best at basketball and that's fine. Everyone's en led to their own opinion, but you need not speak for anyone else, much less an entire nation.
    Oh please. It is far from a stretch to say that vast majority of Americans feel they are the best at basketball in the world. In fact, I think to say the contrary is flat out foolishness. It is more of a fact than a generalization.

    I'm not speaking for an entire nation. I am telling you what is obvious.

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    In general, Americans have this awful sense of en lement when it comes to basketball. We all were spoiled by the 1992 Dream Team with Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. But that was a once-in-a-lifetime deal and it was only a matter of time before the world became better in basketball, particularly with the NBA's emphasis on global outreach.
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...orts-headlines

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    In the past, American players and fans treated the quadrennial world championship as a non-event. Basketball had not yet become a global mania and it was universally acknowledged that the best players in the world were the American professionals and that the true world championship was the NBA le.

    This complacency was reinforced by the 1994 world championship, which was the first one to feature NBA players – the US team won all eight games and beat its opponents by an average of 37.7 points a game.
    http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14410459/

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