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And you made your self look super gay doing it.
And you made your self look super gay doing it.
Y'know, if you put all of the asshole Mavs fans on ignore, this forum becomes MUCH more readable. They lack both basketball knowledge and a sense of humor.
It'd actually be pissier. You're attempt to crack a joke failed horribly.
You have to be a damn genius to think of that.
I also resent you editing my posts.
It's looking more and more like I should have omitted the word "basketball".
..............this cowboy team has really layed an egg today. i wouldnt call them stupid, but im headed down that road.............
IMHO, good fans are those who are with their teams in the down years, to a reasonable extent, and are exceptional when the team is doing well. Being too fanatical while the team in question sucks, is not being a 'good fan' it is being desperate, because if a franchise in pro sports doesn't ever bother putting a good product on the playing field but still get bailed out by the fans, the fans are just being stupid, and counter productive.
I don't know about every team in the NBA, but here are my impressions:
Sacremento: Great fans. Exceptionally loyal, but not to the point of insanity. Great when the Kings were great, attended when the team floundered. However, I do recognize that Sacremento is both a relitively small market team and a 1 sport town.
San Antonio: Generally knowledgeable and well mannered fans. Not the loudest. I don't know how Spurs fans were, pre-Duncan, but I assume there was good attendence, at least. Again, I recognize that you are a small market (relitively), have had lots of winning lately, and are pretty much a 1 sport town (please correct me if I am wrong on any of these points... these are impressions, not stone cold facts).
Miami: I say this with no malace directed towards any members of the Heat francise or organization on any leval... as they sure have tried and tried and tried over the years... Miami fans are putrid... plain and simple. You suck, hard. You have a huge market, yet, unless they win the le, nobody shows up. Nobody ever showed up, even when they were good in the 90's and 2000's before the le. That was even when they had that wonderful rivalry with the Knicks... Sad sad sad showing by you fans... and then you bandwagon when you finaly go all the way? Not to mention that, as fans, you brought absolutly nothing special to the table... It would have been better that the few loyal fans they had were the only ones allowed to join in the festivities of the championship... all five of them. Yet, there is still 1 group even worse than you... read on...
Millwakee: Good fans. Not overly loyal, but you bring in a good solid croud. When you do well, generally you give more response. I feel bad that Mason and Karl ruined everything the Bucks had going for them durring the Big Three days...
Detroit: Eh... weird fans. On the one hand, from 2002 to 2005, we showed something special, and brought something to the table not seen before: a college like atmosphere. I think we also have the record for highest attendence, when we had to play in the Silverdome, durring the Pistons' rise to glory in the 80's. However, in the 'teal years', there was a very poor showing from the fans. While I admit there was not that much to celebrate, to be in the playoffs with well over 50 wins, with dynamic superstar leading the way... to not even fill half the arena (de facto, not ticket sales) is sad sad sad. Granted, (no pun intended) teal/maroon sucked ferociously, and the Pistons realistically had no shot, because of the very stroing Eastern Conference, and because Detroit is a 4 sport town, with college, and at the time, some very good RedWing teams, the fact is, the Metro Detroit area is a big market, and I am kind of disgusted with how many fans behaved in the 90's. I can't speak for anything that happened in the 80's. Also, with respect for the Brawl, I still conted that what happened was no different than what would have happened in other cities: Cleveland, or Phili etc... it was a [un]lucky hit on a volitile player in a sport where fans are very close to the action. I still contend that, under the cir stances, the fans should be credited for not getting alot worse (which it easily could have).
Indiana: Good melo croud. You are basketball savvy, but you prefer the non-pro versions of basketball. You are as consistant as Your team. That is a compliment in its own right. However, You have become a bit too cynical in recent years (and perhaps, rightfully so) and don't even show up to playoff series in force, unless it is after the second round. I can't say I blame you, but the playoffs are the playoffs, and they could at any time pull a Knicks 1999, and make it to the Finals, so I am a little dissapointed that you don't support your team a little more. Every move the Pacers have made was with winning in mind (for the most part) and I think you fans should support them more.
Utah: You guys don't get enough credit. Small market, 1 pro sport team, nothing to do, yet you fans were Sacremento-like before Sacremento [read: LOUD LOUD LOUD], and you still support your very medeocre team very well. More props to you Utah fans...
Portland: Nice people, but WAY too loyal. You fans needed to boycott this team 6 years ago. What was happening there WAY overstepped 'bad product on the field' barrier... these guys were a disgrace. Members of this team are still causing problems well after the dissassembly, and the 'Jailblazers' are still the Jailblazers. And now they don't even make the playoffs.
Knicks: Loyal to the last. You love Your Knicks. I'll give you that. You stopped comming en masse when the Knicks went downhill, but you didn't do it well enough, fast enough. You want nothing more than for their basketball team to equal Your baseball teams. Yet, you fans can't catch a break. While not as overly loyal as the Blazer fans, you guys are too loyal, and really should have done a better job of sending a message to the dumbass owner that his moves sucked.
New Jersey: Sorry guys, you guys are probably worse than Heat guys. You STILL DIDN'T SHOW UP AFTER THE TEAM WAS A LAGIT CONTENDER!!! WHAT THE ? Is New Jersy so against basketball that you will never support your team? Help me out here: what was your attendence for Devils' games? Were they as sucky? I feel bad for those who did attend and never got to bask in the glory of a championship in an empty stadium. The fact is, you fans don't deserve a team, and I hope the door hits you on their way out back to New York. You are the worst.
Houston: Fans seem average to me. You arn't bad fans by any stretch of the immagination, but your support for your team lacks anything special to mention about.
Dallas: I will give you slack. Here is why: Almost every other team on this list has had SOME KIND of history to fall back on. The Kings were once a very sucessful Royals francise. Nets and Pacers had their ABA glory days, and recent trips to the Finals. Before Cuban, the Mavs had nothing but bad managment. Why support a team that put a bad product on the field without 1 iota of history to fall back on? Dallas fans have been good since Cuban. The test will be that when the Mavs fall back to medeocrity (it will happen eventually, sorry Dallas fans, that is life) how will the fanbase respond? Will it be a proper response (there should be support, esp if there is hope, but not complete desertion or insane loyalty). On another note, Dallas fans don't seem to bring anything special to the table while the Mavs have been good. Not bad, just nothing special, like say, Detroit, Sacremento, or Utah.
Golden State: Too loyal. This francise has needed a kick in the but for over a decade, and you fans just keep flushing your money down the toilet.
L.A.: Like Doc Rivers said about Cubs fans cheering for the White Sox, calling them 'tranSoxuals'; while the overly loyal Clipper fans finally got a payoff, the Laker fans were just terrible, jumping the fence. I find the majority of the people who are actualy at Laker games are overly aarogant (heh, you might have a right to be) and just there as status symbols. I feel bad for the LA community who never get to go to games on a regular basis because of crazy prices: I am sure they would be a lot better than the 'come late, leave early' crowd the Lakers always get. Shame on you, Laker ticket holders: You are a disgrace.
Phily: Wow, you guys are HARSH. I like it, to a point. You are knowledgeable and passionate. But you guys have to go the other way a little: Show some patients SOMETIMES.
Boston: Great fans. You are spoiled from history, but you guys generaly show up in proper numbers when the team struggles, and show up big when the team shows promse. I am so sorry that history has completely deserted you with the deaths... You are great fans.
Cleveland: Not much history, except bad, until now, so you are in a similar boat as Dallas, at around the time Cuban was in his second year. I will withold judgement for now.
Toronto: You were dealt a crappy hand, and you responded in kind. You had some good years early, you responded with some very good crouds. Show me something unique when Bosh starts tearing up your division, and you get a medal for being great fans.
Chicago: Ahh, Bulls fans: You love da Bulls. You love them so. I really have nothing bad to say about you. You have shown almost perfect response to the changing situations. Perhaps a little too loyal durring the horrible era post Jordan (Brand, Floyd, Artest/Brand, Curry, Chandler) and not showing me anything special durring the dynesty. A good example of fans in a big market, with room for improvement.
Sorry for not breaking down the other cities. I just don't know enough about you.
^ nice
Then you'd have to replace Mavs with Spurs.
hahah, ya got me there. Nope i don't live in Minnesota. I live 7 miles outside the border. I gues you pwned me there, eh?
You a perfect example of my view on MN sports fans. You still continue to kiss Flip's ass in Piston threads when it was obviosly time for him to leave. To Detroit fans, it may not be time for him to leave there, but it will be. Good knowledgable fans don't need it to obvious. Folks here may or may not remember my "NBA le or bust" rant in '04 where i either wanted it all or a complete failure so Flip would have to be canned. Sure, jump on the "Fire Mac" bandwagon now, but where were you when it actually would have made a difference? KG's career will never include a ring in MN unless its as a role player in a Greg Oden led championship or something of that caliber. A Danny Ainge type GM even as few as in '03 would have had a championship caliber team right now with at least SOME halfass draft picks.
Can you imagine have quality draft picks for the last decade where we would be?
Anyone that's STILL slightly opposed to dealing KG falls into this category.
The team would be much better off had Kev and Flip both been fired years ago and KG traded for some quality prospects and high picks.
, we had oppurtunities to deal KG before to chicago with their high picks and young'uns and we everyone, i'm assuming you also, were opposed to that idea.
What makes you think we'll get a better deal as he gets older and MN more desparate? I'm not saying that this should have been done five years ago, but after the Spree and Sam thing fell apart, did you think we'd win/will win right now with a bunch of kids?
I would have taken expiring contracts and high picks and also clearing out other bad contracts for KG. I'm sorry if he'd feel bad or get stuck on a really crappy team but the franchise is more important then "the franchise"
Suck for a year or two and be right back in the mix.
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