Pat Tillman's brother writes about U.S. Leadership (lack thereof)

[ChumpDumper]

Thank God for the Tillman's letter, or else liberals would'nt have had a convincing argument.

So you're saying it's a convincing argument.

ok.

[turambar85]

Thank God for the Tillman's letter, or else liberals would'nt have had a convincing argument.

Is that what it boils to...

one lone oppinion.

Jesus H. Christobal....the purpose of the letter, at least to myself, is not proof that the Iraq war is bad. That has been said and basically proven so many times that it is a straw-man. The letter shows a blatant hypocrisy in the argument of many far-right neo-cons. They claim that people like myself who have attended war protests don't support our troops. They claim that to question the war, to say it is wrong, and to demand a recall of troops at some point is to side with the terrorists.

Now, as I have said before in this thread, your rhetoric has now come full circle, and you are left with 2 choices. Will you...
1. Say that you were mistaken, and it is not wrong to publicly condemn the Iraq war, that it is not against the troops.
or
2. Say that you only support the troops who support Bush, in which case it is not that we don't support the troops, but we don't support Dubya.

You have the choice, but you must make one. You have said that it is unpatriotic to fight against this war, that your are aiding and abetting the terrorists, and you have also said that we need to fully support the troops. When things like Haditha happen, it is said that it is wrong to demand military trials for the soldiers, that they are fighting for our freedom and need our support. So, will you say that you were wrong to comdemn those such as myself, or will you say that Tillman is an unpatriotic treasonous piece of commie ? You absolutely have to pick one of the two.

Have some dignity and make the right choice, and enjoy the rhetorical grave which you have dug for yourselves.

[turambar85]

Thank God for the Tillman's letter, or else liberals would'nt have had a convincing argument.

Is that what it boils to...

one lone oppinion.

Actually, Gtown, there are entire groups and organizations made up of veterans against the war. Uninformed and arrogantly ignorant as usual.

"Thank God for dogmatic views, or else neo-conservatives would be left absolutely speechless."

[jochhejaam]

nope. It's more like he takes a way a point from those who sought to portray his brother's death as a heroic sacrifice by lying about how he died.

The truth that he was killed by friendly fire has been out for quite some time. With that being the case, it's ridiculous to suggest that he, and I hate to even repeat your phraseology, has taken a point away!

I'm not accusing Tillman's brother of anything. I am accusing you of using his opinions for political expediency's sake.
Exploitation, nothing less.

[boutons_]

$40K enlistment bonuses sure expose enlistees burning patriotism to serve in dubya's ed over military.

[PixelPusher]

The truth that he was killed by friendly fire has been out for quite some time. With that being the case, it's ridiculous to suggest that he, and I hate to even repeat your phraseology, has taken a point away!

I'm not accusing Tillman's brother of anything. I am accusing you of using his opinions for political expediency's sake.
Exploitation, nothing less.

How is linking to his publicly posted letter "exploitation"? Did you even bother to read it? Exploitation is certainly a theme running through it, it just that this administration is the one doing the exploiting.

[gtownspur]

So you're saying it's a convincing argument.

ok.

Not convincing to me if you wanted to ask.

[gtownspur]

Actually, Gtown, there are entire groups and organizations made up of veterans against the war. Uninformed and arrogantly ignorant as usual.

"Thank God for dogmatic views, or else neo-conservatives would be left absolutely speechless."

Actually jackass, i'm not denying their existence either, quit assuming.

There's also groups dedicated towards supporting the war who are littered with vets.

Does that mean that the existence of both cancels out both viewpoints... no!


It's just goes to show that both sides will post whatever suits their viewpoints.

I didn't know Tillman's veiwpoint going into the war and don't care.

Sound arguments, not emotional letters, will sway me.

[gtownspur]

Jesus H. Christobal....the purpose of the letter, at least to myself, is not proof that the Iraq war is bad. That has been said and basically proven so many times that it is a straw-man. The letter shows a blatant hypocrisy in the argument of many far-right neo-cons. They claim that people like myself who have attended war protests don't support our troops. They claim that to question the war, to say it is wrong, and to demand a recall of troops at some point is to side with the terrorists.

Now, as I have said before in this thread, your rhetoric has now come full circle, and you are left with 2 choices. Will you...
1. Say that you were mistaken, and it is not wrong to publicly condemn the Iraq war, that it is not against the troops.
or
2. Say that you only support the troops who support Bush, in which case it is not that we don't support the troops, but we don't support Dubya.

You have the choice, but you must make one. You have said that it is unpatriotic to fight against this war, that your are aiding and abetting the terrorists, and you have also said that we need to fully support the troops. When things like Haditha happen, it is said that it is wrong to demand military trials for the soldiers, that they are fighting for our freedom and need our support. So, will you say that you were wrong to comdemn those such as myself, or will you say that Tillman is an unpatriotic treasonous piece of commie ? You absolutely have to pick one of the two.

Have some dignity and make the right choice, and enjoy the rhetorical grave which you have dug for yourselves.

Hey, bag.

Quit assuming again. Find me a post where i called anyone unamerican for opposition for the war.

ANd then you can apply that to me.


You're just full of yourself.

[turambar85]

Actually jackass, i'm not denying their existence either, quit assuming.

There's also groups dedicated towards supporting the war who are littered with vets.

Does that mean that the existence of both cancels out both viewpoints... no!


It's just goes to show that both sides will post whatever suits their viewpoints.

I didn't know Tillman's veiwpoint going into the war and don't care.

Sound arguments and not emotional letters will sway me.

Actually, jackass, you did assume that they didn't exist. You said one lone opinion of one lone soldier means nothing. However, I then say that its more than 1 soldier, and then you say that more than one person believes the opposing side is the truth. So, now numbers mean nothing as validation, so one lone opinion is just as valuable.

And, again, its to show the damned hypocrisy and ignorance in the claims of protestors being anti-American. Should Tillman "get the out"?

[PixelPusher]

The next "sound arguement" I hear from the Bush Administration will be the first.

[turambar85]

Hey, bag.

Quit assuming again. Find me a post where i called anyone unamerican for opposition for the war.

ANd then you can apply that to me.


You're just full of yourself.

You wasn't referring to YOU, it was like the royal we, but not. You, in that statement, referred to neo-cons in general.

Now that thats past us, try refuting the post itself.

[gtownspur]

Actually, jackass, you did assume that they didn't exist. You said one lone opinion of one lone soldier means nothing. However, I then say that its more than 1 soldier, and then you say that more than one person believes the opposing side is the truth. So, now numbers mean nothing as validation, so one lone opinion is just as valuable.

And, again, its to show the damned hypocrisy and ignorance in the claims of protestors being anti-American. Should Tillman "get the out"?

What a ing you are.

You are reading a whole paragraph when i've only typed one sentence.

Even a ing 7 year old would comprehend that i was only talking about one individual and i wasn't implying that only this individual existed.

[gtownspur]

You wasn't referring to YOU, it was like the royal we, but not. You, in that statement, referred to neo-cons in general.

Now that thats past us, try refuting the post itself.

It doesn't refer to me, so ask the ghost neocon boogeymen if they still think you're unamerican.

[turambar85]

lol, I give up. A waste of time. If you can't even handle trying to refute an argument rather than make up mindless like that then its a waste of time.

[Clandestino]

$40K enlistment bonuses sure expose enlistees burning patriotism to serve in dubya's ed over military.

not everyone gets those... also, many of the jobs that gets the best bonuses aren't in combat related fields. they are the highly technical, need an intelligent person field...

[01Snake]

lol, I give up. A waste of time. If you can't even handle trying to refute an argument rather than make up mindless like that then its a waste of time.

Whats a waste of time is people like you coming on here and trying to "make us see the truth". Look, you see things one way while other see it another. Been like that forever. Stop trying to ram your opinions down the throats of those who don't agree with you.

This is not directed at you turambar85 but it goes both ways.

[01Snake]

not everyone gets those... also, many of the jobs that gets the best bonuses aren't in combat related fields. they are the highly technical, need an intelligent person field...

Croutons simply thinks the military is made up borderline re s. You'll have to excuse his ignorance.

[ChumpDumper]

Not convincing to me if you wanted to ask.

But you said it was convincing.

Make up your mind.

[clambake]

We need people that are easily convinced.

Something to confirm their enability to evolve.

It separates the real from the tool.

This would be a pretty boring place without a handful of Archie Bunkers.

[Clandestino]

Inability

[clambake]

Thank you clandy. My spelling has always suffered.

[clambake]

Let us not forget that the dead know more than some of the living.

[jochhejaam]

How is linking to his publicly posted letter "exploitation"? Did you even bother to read it? Exploitation is certainly a theme running through it, it just that this administration is the one doing the exploiting.

Uhm...Because it supports your political views of the war?

Were you seeking or hoping for objective discourse by posting extreme and subjective opinions in this Forum? Of course you weren't.

Be real, and don't pretend that you brought it in for any other reasons than those that I've stated.

[JoeChalupa]

Like the republican's use of 911 to exploit their political views?