Tiki calls Irvin, Jackson "idiots."

[samikeyp]

Again fair enough.

I still feel though even though fans in Texas saw more of Emmitt doesn't mean that their feelings of Emmitt being better aren't legit.

The way I see it, and this is a personal assessment...

I think Barry was a better pure runner...I think Emmitt was a better running back. IMO, Emmitt was a better blocker and reciever.

Just my .02

[whottt]

Jimmy Johnson recruited Barry(who was a back up) and coached Emmitt...

And I quote:

"If I wanted to sell tickets I'd draft Barry Sanders, if I wanted to win Superbowls I'd draft Emmitt Smith"


One was a north south runner who seldom was tackled for a loss and was always moving forward, and who was one of the great goal line backs in NFL history...

One was an East West runner who ran around like a chicken with his head cut off and you never knew if he was going to get tackled for a 15 yard loss or go 80 yards for a touchdown and that's why he couldn't even get the call on the goal line over other RB's on his own team...is that Emmitt's fault?


Is it Emmitt's fault that Barry was the first 1500 hundred yard back in history to play on a team with 2 thousand yard recievers and a 3500 yard passer and still got his ass kicked out of the playoffs(held to - yardage I believe, something that happened quite a few times with Barry) and the very next week Emmitt ripped them for a 150 yards?


Barry was helter skelter yards, fun as to watch but you never knew what was going to happen with him...you knew Emmitt was going to be going straight ahead, that's why I think the longest loss he ever got tackled for was about 4 yards and I'd frequently see Barry at half time with -15-20 yards...yeah he'd still end up with a 150 from his two 80 yard runs he'd get after his team was down by 30 in the second half...but you get the point...that's also why they didn't want to give it to him on the goal line...


And don't say Emmitt had a great offensive line the last 5 or 6 years of his career...when he was still wracking up 1000 yard season, and sodomizing the Redskins with regularity, albeit almost with a Sanders like lack of passion and purpose, a far cry from earlier in his career.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I hate that argument because the Cowboy coaches>>>Lion coaches and they knew how to use ES. The Lion coaches? They took Barry out inside the 10 for Tommy Vardell.

[johnsmith]

I'd take Walter Payton over both of them.

[samikeyp]

I would take Jim Brown over anyone.

[whottt]

Because Barry might get tackled for a 15 yard loss...I don't blame them. You could put no offensive line in front of Emmitt and he still wasn't going to wind up 15 yards in the backfield. It wasn't they way he ran.

Was it the coaches that made Barry run 15 yards in the backfield? Or was it just the way Barry ran...

[FromWayDowntown]

I still back Tiki's position.

[ShoogarBear]

I'd take Walter Payton over both of them.

[johnsmith]

I still back Tiki's position.

[tlongII]

Jim Brown was the best ever.

[whottt]

Too bad Barry wasn't getting him some Wilbur Marshall, Andre Waters, Reggie White, LT and Pepper Johnson bi annually like Emmitt was...Sheyittt Barry would have had a couple of -100 yard games had he faced that Eagles D more.

[ShoogarBear]

I would take Jim Brown over anyone.

Although . . . Brown apparently refused to block and was a poor receiver.

Now you might argue why TF you'd want Michelangelo to sing. . . but still, Sweetness was the better all-around football player while Brown was the best running back.

[ShoogarBear]

Too bad Barry wasn't getting him some Wilbur Marshall, Andre Waters, Reggie White, LT and Pepper Johnson bi annually like Emmitt was... Barry would have had a couple of -100 yard games had he faced that Eagles D more.

whottt has found his football equivalent of Hakeem and Avery Johnson combined in Barry Sanders.

[samikeyp]

Although . . . Brown apparently refused to block and was a poor receiver.

Now you might argue why TF you'd want Michelangelo to sing. . . but still, Sweetness was the better all-around football player while Brown was the best running back.

Touche'

[johnsmith]

I would take Jim Brown over anyone.

I think going back all the way to Jim Brown is an unfair comparison in regards to comparing runningbacks.

Jim Brown was like a man among boys when he played (at least from the old films I've seen, it looks that way). It's reminscent of Wilt the Stilt playing basketball against a bunch of short white guys.

Don't get me wrong here though, I'm sure he was amazing and from what I have seen, he certainly is, but Payton played against a bunch of juiced up steroid freaks during the late 70's and early 80's and still made them look like women.

Wow, race disrimination as well as female discrimination in one post..........good for me.

[whottt]

whottt has found his football equivalent of Hakeem and Avery Johnson combined in Barry Sanders.

I've always known it and done it many times on other boards...only in this argument I'm on the Hakeem side.

[samikeyp]

I think going back all the way to Jim Brown is an unfair comparison in regards to comparing runningbacks.

possibly...then again I think most of the "Best (insert player or position here)....." arguments are exercises in futility.

Maybe should stick to what we have seen.

Best Running Back I have ever seen is Emmitt Smith.

[johnsmith]

possibly...then again I think most of the "Best (insert player or position here)....." arguments are exercises in futility.

Maybe should stick to what we have seen.

Best Running Back I have ever seen is Emmitt Smith.

I'd put Payton over any runner I've ever seen.

[ShoogarBear]

Best Running Back I have ever seen is Emmitt Smith.

Did you actually see him?

Or did you see an electronic representation of him on your television?

No weasel room in here, dammit.

[samikeyp]

I actually saw him.

[whottt]

Jim Brown was fantastic...I mean look at that crap offensive line he had...it was so bad that the year after he retired his replacement won the rushing le.

It's not like Paul Brown ever won anything without Jim Brown either...

[ShoogarBear]

I like all Dallas teams.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Too bad Barry wasn't getting him some Wilbur Marshall, Andre Waters, Reggie White, LT and Pepper Johnson bi annually like Emmitt was...Sheyittt Barry would have had a couple of -100 yard games had he faced that Eagles D more.

In '92, the Packers, Bears, Vikings and Bucs gave up less yards per rush than the Eagles. The Pack, Bears and Bucs gave up less rushing TDs that year.

In '93, the Packers, Bears, Vikings and Bucs gave up less yards per rush than the Eagles. Bears and Packers gave up less rushing TDs.

In '94, the Packers, Bears, Vikings and Bucs gave up less yards...

[whottt]

I'm taking Wilt over Russell in this one

[whottt]

In '92, the Packers, Bears, Vikings and Bucs gave up less yards per rush than the Eagles. The Pack, Bears and Bucs gave up less rushing TDs that year.

In '93, the Packers, Bears, Vikings and Bucs gave up less yards per rush than the Eagles. Bears and Packers gave up less rushing TDs.

In '94, the Packers, Bears, Vikings and Bucs gave up less yards...

Yeah...because they didn't have Emmitt running up their butts like the Eagles, Giants and Skins did.