Gotta love the neocons: "WE MUST bomb Iran"

[whottt]

What of them? We told Stalin to go to in 1947, it took you another 40 years to beat those pussy russians.

When I said I don't want you to teach me how to live under a fascism or Islam...you can also feel free to assume that means communism as well...

You know, the weeds...

This is list of stuff your country did "for" us in previous century:
It stoped us from getting Klagenfurt after ww1.
It stoped us from getting Treiste after ww2.
It tried to stop us from getting independence.
gee, thanks.

Ya'll were ing commies...we had to wait till ya'll figured it out...

Note, we got this even though we have never been communists.

More germans troops were lost at the battle of Kursk than in entire western front campaign. some contribution.

Your war not ours...

Slovenains never attacked anybody, so how was this our mess? The only contact with ME we had, was kicking turkish butt in middle ages.

We didn't attack any body either....until. It's still your region of the world...we'll take the blame for polution as long as you guys accept responsiblity for all your ups.

Oh they fought too, infact we fought fascism way back in 1927 when you we're busy dealing arms to them. And last time i checked, we won.

Communism and fascism are both part of the same family of weed...ditto Islam.

[whottt]

I know it would be simpler if we didn't complicate it needlessly with a failed nation building experiment.

Idiot....the solution to this problem is not one that can be solved by military alone.

A Democracy even if it has Theorcratic elements must be put in place in the Middle East.

Period.

That has to be accomplished or we will never win this war.

But, they're all ty leaders. The leaders in Iraq now are ty and beholden to the militias bent on genocide. How did we make that better? Less miserable?

They are ty now...but the mechanism is in place to change...

You haven't got a clue why Democracy works do you?

[ChumpDumper]

Idiot....the solution to this problem is not one that can be solved by military alone.

Says the guy who wants to nuke everyone.

A Democracy even if it has Theorcratic elements must be put in place in the Middle East.

Period.

That has to be accomplished or we will never win this war.

Says the guy who says all of Islam is evil.

They are ty now...but the mechanism is in place to change...

You haven't got a clue why Democracy works do you?

I know why it works. You haven't got a clue that democracy doesn't always work, do you?

[whottt]

Says the guy who wants to nuke everyone.

Link? Ped?

Says the guy who says all of Islam is evil.

Link? Ped?

I know why it works. You haven't got a clue that democracy doesn't always work, do you?

It works better from our POV than Despotisms....anything is better.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't need to link all your posts in the political forum.

[whottt]

That's the answer I'd expect from a ped.

[whottt]

Bump

[ChumpDumper]

bump whattt?

[ChumpDumper]

So, do you agree with Joshua Muravchik that we should have a sustained bombing campaign in Iran?

[xrayzebra]

So, do you agree with Joshua Muravchik that we should have a sustained bombing campaign in Iran?

There will be no sustained or any other bombing plan on Iran by the United
States. Because of people like you who have no stomach or staying
power to win any war. And the dimm-o-craps who support you in DC.

But I do not believe Israel will stand-by and commit suicide by letting them
attain a nuclear bomb. They will do something, what I am not sure.

[ChumpDumper]

There will be no sustained or any other bombing plan on Iran by the United
States. Because of people like you who have no stomach or staying
power to win any war. And the dimm-o-craps who support you in DC.

That wasn't the question, X.

[whottt]

Just depends....we'll need the help of Israel and some of the Sunni based countries to deal best with Iran....

And we're still not entirely sure just how closely aligned with Iran the Iraqi Shiites will be...they are only slightly more unified than the Sunni and Shia Iraqis.


Keep in mind...the Shiites are still the more progressive of the two sects of Islam with regards to women's rights and they are slighly more humane...they still consider public stoning the equivalent of monday night football...but that's generations ahead of the Sunnis...

Nuking Iran is definitely an option...they need to know and believe that we are willing to do it...checkmate.

They don't think we'll do it right now....you and your ilk definitely help give off that perception...so we definitely need a leader from whom that threat will be taken seriously...like Reagan.

Guilianni or Clark will both serve...and I don't really wish to use the nuclear solution until we have one of them in office. Threaten first...

[whottt]

Addendum...the last thing we need is some goofball asskissking lib in there like Gore or Kerry that is about as threatening as a kitten.

As big of an idiot as W comes off as...he's still more threatening than either of those two bags...which is why he got so many votes in 04.

[boutons_]

"he got so many votes in 04."

aka, the smallest victory margin EVER by an in bent president. dubya won ONLY because he started a phony war urgently in 2003 (there was no urgency) PRIMARILY to run as a war president.

No phony Iraq war, no dubya second term.

Rove was absolutely brilliant in wasting 1000s of American lives to get dubya re-elected.

[velik_m]

When I said I don't want you to teach me how to live under a fascism or Islam...you can also feel free to assume that means communism as well...

You know, the weeds...

Don't knock it till you try it.

Ya'll were ing commies...we had to wait till ya'll figured it out...

Note, we got this even though we have never been communists.

in 1918? no, we tryed to build a democracy, but you pushed us to become part of authocratic kingdom.

in 1991? we wanted an independant democracy, but you thought we should stay with a "that nice man" Milosevic. Ofcourse after independance you were eager to teach us the ways of democracy and capitalism. Luckily we ignored all the advice and became the most sucesfull transition country.

Your war not ours...

obviously...

We didn't attack any body either....until. It's still your region of the world...we'll take the blame for polution as long as you guys accept responsiblity for all your ups.

Name the up.

Communism and fascism are both part of the same family of weed...ditto Islam.

People fighting fascism back then weren't communist.
And if you trully belive that same weed stuff, your even dumber than you look.

[whottt]

Why you wait until the Texas A&M Game is on to reply? (That's real football in case you were wondering)

I'll be back in a bit to straighten you out.


%$#@$%@ uppity Slovenian!

[velik_m]

been shoping, different timeline and all...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I'm Australian, not European, re . How hard is that to work out?

As opposed to the quintessential lib/euro tactic...blame America.

Because none of these problems existed before America...

Yeah, that's right, speak FOR me not to me. I never said anything about these problems all being America's fault. They clearly are not. Unsurprisingly, the world does not revolve around the US and people in other places have found ways to have their own problems with each other.

However the US has worsened a lot of regional problems in the world by intervening where the shouldn't, bumbling in like you understand a situation and then being proven wrong time and again. You could get away with it pretty much untouched until the age of mass terrorism, but now we're all walking a nuclear knife edge and international interventionism is a lot more difficult.

It also doesn't help that the US proclaims democracy while allowing something like the Florida debacle, endorses free trade while protecting your farmers more than any other country, shuns international law, won't act on climate change even though the US pollutes far more than anyone else (40% GHG emissions for 4%of the world's popn), etc. Hypocrisy does not help your cause as "Guardian of Freedom".

You're spoiled, detatched from reality, and your world view would be exterminated, ruled and subjugated in a matter of seconds without mine.

WTF? I never said there isn't a place for defence policy. , my father was a naval officer for 35 years. However, there was no imminent threat from Iraq, and no plan to get out, and it is an unnecessary war. It didn't need to happen, and now that it has it's become a focal point for anti-US/Western sentiment for Muslims across the world, inflaming an already volatile situation.

If you justify it on the basis of freedom for the Iraqi people, why don't you go and liberate all the other countries living under despots or in the midst of civil wars? Zimbabwe, Sudan, Ivory Coast - most of Africa - Cuba, Myanmar, Tibet, a number of Pacific Islands, etc.

I know...you guys believe in colonialism, nazism, fascism, communism, anti-semitism...cramming jews onto land promised to Arabs, cramming oppositional religious sects within the same borders, and appointing despots to rule over them so you can buy cheap oil, and then acting like America caused it...

You guys also stand for sticking it to the Germans as far up the ass as you can get it after WWI, thus causing WWII, dragging us into it...and then having the audacity to call us war mongers.

Now you're just frothing at the mouth. Please don't tell me what I think because you haven't a ing clue.

I know exactly what you stand for...I prefer my war.

I know what your next reply could be...you could give me a lecture on evil America massacring indigenous people...

Well, blankets with smallpox was not a very nice thing to do, not to mention the alcohol, and the beads. However you are not alone there, every colonial civilisation did it, and we should all be ashamed.

[whottt]

Well, blankets with smallpox was not a very nice thing to do, not to mention the alcohol, and the beads. However you are not alone there, every colonial civilisation did it, and we should all be ashamed.

Americans didn't do that...Europeans did it. Europeans did a lot of stuff...


And I know you're an Aussie....which makes you a sattelite Euro. Albeit from one of the worthwhile mother countries...generally, usually.

Americans also didn't invent slavery...they fought wars on themselves to rid themselves of that bit of European elitism.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Americans didn't do that...Europeans did it. Europeans did a lot of stuff...


And I know you're an Aussie....which makes you a sattelite Euro. Albeit from one of the worthwhile mother countries...generally, usually.

Americans also didn't invent slavery...they fought wars on themselves to rid themselves of that bit of European elitism.

Oh, come on! That makes you a Euro too! We were all freakin Euros 500 years ago.

My point was that all colonial countries behaved like pigs and bullies and treated our fellow man horribly, we're all culpable.

[Bob Lanier]

whottt brings the light of Aryan culture back to the Aryan people.

[clambake]

Whottt, you've gotten everything you wanted. A liberated Iraq with democracy and freedom from Saddam. What are you complaining about?.........the outcome? This is W's plan. How could you have expected better?

Oh, and Bush said it was for oil. Remember?

[xrayzebra]

Whottt, you've gotten everything you wanted. A liberated Iraq with democracy and freedom from Saddam. What are you complaining about?.........the outcome? This is W's plan. How could you have expected better?

Oh, and Bush said it was for oil. Remember?

No you are seeing the results of your and the
Dimm-o-craps plan of cut and run. The looked
to the past and saw how effective people like
you were in VN and trying to repeat yourself
today.

Now the question is: Will you accept what
will happen after you plan of the third
"cut and run" plan. You are seeing many people
killed because of your proposed "cut and run"
policy now. And you and your bunch will and
do blame Bush. But it is your actions of
"it is all our fault" we need to "cut and run" and
declare victory that will again cost many lives
just like it has in the past. Congratulations on
your victory.

[clambake]

There's only one way this could be worse. Think about it.

What if this war NEEDED to be fought and won?

[xrayzebra]

^^You need to think about it.

That is exactly what was needed. But politics keeps
getting in way of winning anything. Wonder why?