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  1. #101
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    What I dont understand is why Pop can't make an educated decision of whether or not manu will start based on our opponent's lineup and past performances against them.

    Its clear sometimes he is best off the bench but also clear that sometimes he is best to start the game. Why does it have to be black and white?

    Do you think it's the front office and the money they are paying Manu

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    Moving a player to the bench = castration.


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    As long as it doesn't hurts Manu's confidence. His game is based on confidence...

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    They should be able to use him both ways, i've seen him destroy teams as a starter like phoenix and destroy teams as a bench player

    This is why the 2003 spurs team was probably the best ever imo....we had a tall lanky sg who could be motivated to rebound on a given night, a center who was a natural rebounder, and manu coming off the freakin bench

    it was 3lit3

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    Its clear when Manu comes of the bench the team flow is better, just look at the Clippers game, and he still gets his minutes. It also looks like Michael Finley plays better when he starts, and Manu comes of the bench.

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    I for one am glad that Manu was a starter in the NBA finals in 2005. It's always a good idea to use your best players at the start of the game so you don't fall behind. I also like Pop's idea earlier this season of starting Ginobili, resting him after about 5 minutes, and then reinserting him in the game during the period when Beno, Barry, Horry, and Elson were on the floor. This is perhaps the most diplomatic way to go because you retain him as the starter but you also get to use him with Barry, Beno, and Horry.

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    Manu is a beast off the bench, I am going to ride with this one.

    This is the formula that works

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    Best 6th man I'm convinced. It's a great strategy.

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    This team is looking so much better with Manu off the bench.
    3 games back, 3 blowouts.

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    But Manu off the bench is disrespect

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    Heh heh he's looking super-efficient though 22 Points in 20 Minutes? The announcers said the moment he came in the 5 minute mark, the game just went in favor of the Spurs.

    I think Pop dangling Playing Time in front of Ginobili is making him work harder though. Holding over the day-to-day thing.

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    Ginobili coming off the bench would be turn him into the biggest bench weapon in the league. I've long been for the move.

    Manu coming off the bench makes the Spurs deadly for 48 minutes a night.
    thank you!

    few yrs back when he was coming off the bench most of the season his performance was INSANE!
    and he doesn't have this ego liek he "needs" to be starting.
    Manu comes off the bench fresh and raises the level of play for the whole team.

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    What I dont understand is why Pop can't make an educated decision of whether or not manu will start based on our opponent's lineup and past performances against them.

    Its clear sometimes he is best off the bench but also clear that sometimes he is best to start the game. Why does it have to be black and white?
    Yeah, we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves, unless we've been blowing out teams for the next two weeks (not to mention the last two games before the Clips were against not-so-great teams. and Clips apparently stunk it up tonight) then I say keep him there.

    I doubt that'll happen though, the idea that you start your best players in general should be implemented in the long run. I think Manu's effectiveness is independent of the bench or starting role. It has a lot more to do with rotations, offensive ball movement, than Manu being a great sixth man, blah blah.

    Weren't the Manu fans saying last month how Manu works great with Tim and Oberto? And helps take the defensive load off Bowen? Now the pendulum shifts towards "Manu works well with Barry and Beno!"
    Manu just works great with the Spurs' squads in general.

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    Manu needs to stay the 6th man, you cannot refute the past 3 games with him coming off the bench, I dont care what anyone says... And I dont think its degrading in any fassion, , Manu is getting better numbers in the past 3 games since the begining of the season.

    If I was in the NBA doing that well off the bench I would refuse to start. Its all about the team.

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    Manu needs to stay the 6th man, you cannot refute the past 3 games with him coming off the bench, I dont care what anyone says... And I dont think its degrading in any fassion, , Manu is getting better numbers in the past 3 games since the begining of the season.

    If I was in the NBA doing that well off the bench I would refuse to start. Its all about the team.
    maybe the past 3 games is due to him playing and not whether he starts or not.

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    Ginobili off the bench makes way too much sense.

    Although, I like Barry starting more than Finley.

    More athleticism, and Finley's legs couldn't handle the starting position I don't think for the rest of the year and playoffs.

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    Ginobili off the bench makes way too much sense.

    Although, I like Barry starting more than Finley.

    More athleticism, and Finley's legs couldn't handle the starting position I don't think for the rest of the year and playoffs.
    what's starting to be painfully obvious is that Manu and Parker are having problems. Both like to dominate the ball.

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    maybe the past 3 games is due to him playing and not whether he starts or not.
    Yeah, I remember he was getting into a rhythm and churning out a couple efficient games prior to the injury, I think he had a game where he hit 9 of 12,14 shots or something? It was some time around his crazy Blazers quarter where he showed signs that he was getting it going.

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    what's starting to be painfully obvious is that Manu and Parker are having problems. Both like to dominate the ball.
    How did you deduce they are having problems?

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    what's starting to be painfully obvious is that Manu and Parker are having problems. Both like to dominate the ball.
    Problems?!? Okay, where did that come from?

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    i wont say that manu and tony have problems, but it IS a problem. they have similar playing styles. its like starting marbury and francis. their styles dont compliment each other. yes...we win with manu starting because we are a great team...but with him coming off the bench...we BLOW out teams so far...especially the cats who beat us before, and the clips who usually play us close. plus remember the 0 playoffs? the nuggs beat us game 1. then pop made the switch for the rest of the series and they won no more. in the next series same thing with manu coming off the bench and torching. yes, we beat detroit with manu starting, but we wont have had to go 7 games with him coming off the bench. manu can play manu style when he isnt sharing the court with tony...and imo he is a better decision maker than tony is. starting manu only hampers him effectiveness.

    we need to stop worrying about people's feelings being hurt, and start worrying about what is best for the team. i personally feel as if this is best for the team, and we NEED to win this season.

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    It all goes back to the fact that Manu's most loyal supporters will usually hail from Argentina, and in Argentina the ruling sport is soccer... and in soccer the bench role is usually reserved for less talented players...

    The disconnect is that they (those taking exception to the notion of Manu coming off the bench) don't realize that the concept is not translative.

    Granted this is not meant to deride Argentineans... I'm just writing this to show that perhaps this is where they are coming from.
    that perhaps would make sense except that most Argies in this thread have directly or indirectly stated that Manu coming of the bench is not a bad idea. So perhaps you might want to reasses that theory.

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    how about they put tony on the bench and start manu?
    )))))))))

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    how about they put tony on the bench and start manu?
    )))))))))
    joke... right?

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