Yeah he did. He went after Ray Allen again in the hallway after they had both been ejected.
Carmelo's actions were worse, but not three times worse.
"not three times worse."
GMAFB. Stern isn't trying to be "fair" or prorportional vis-a-vis previous incidents.
Obviously, the Auburn Palace lessons haven't sunk in.
Maybe these ballas shoulda stayed in school longer.
what the does school got to do w/it??
Nate Robinson and Mardy Collins stayed in school 3 years, I don't think the fourth year would have changed things.
Is it possible that Stern is trying to "have his cake and eat it too" with the Carmelo suspension? He's the only 'superstar' in this whole mix and he was the only handed a suspension that could be put up for appeal. Thug or not, Carmelo is popular and every game he misses costs $$$ for the league. With arbitration it seems like his suspension could get talked down under 12 games. Stern gets to look like the tough guy willing to give the biggest star in this ordeal the biggest suspension, the players union gets to flex its muscles by possibly shaving a few games off the suspension, and the league gets its leading scorer back on the floor sooner than advertised.
Just a thought.
Stern was pissed cause of his "new Ball" bull . He's just taking it out on these punks. WGAF
I'd bet $ they wouldn't
Uh the Dooling incident was last year.
From what I've seen from LBJ and Wade, I have hard time imagining them getting into fights.
Plus, I think their current coaches have pre-empted fighting by their coaching styles.
Karl and Isiah are punks, they don't run class organizations.
Ouch, If it stays 15 for Carmelo and 10 for J.R., the Nuggets are goin to suck for a whole month.
Live by the hood rat, die by the hood rat
I'm so glad the Spurs are punk free.
I don't know man, I wouldn't want to see one of our Spurs get his ass clocked and have everyone else stand around twiddling their thumbs, every team at least needs one...
Thanks timvp.
I may have missed it...do the suspensions start right away?
Isiah is one fake piece of crap.
They're professionals and good guys, yes you might want them to start a huge brawl over small but they're not gonna do it.
I think Carmelo's re-instigation and the fact that he landed a punch are all factors that make his situation significantly different than the Dooling/Allen fight. It's not as if Carmelo just stood by doing nothing after the initial foul, either. He was in the middle of the initial melee, was pushed back and restrained as things cooled, and then made the affirmative decision to re-enter and land a sucker punch on Collins.
I don't, however, think that the 15 games will stand because it is unprecedented. The NBAPA fought long and hard in the last CBA to get some ability to appeal the commissioner's penalties for on-court conduct, because they really didn't have that ability under the previous CBA. The 12-game compromise makes sense to me; 12 games is a significant portion of the season (almost 15% of an 82 game schedule) and allows the Commissioner to dole out very harsh penalties without any realistic chance for appeal to a neutral.
As someone else explained, I suspect that Stern, in this case, is trying to send a message knowing that Anthony's suspension will eventually be reduced to a degree.
I also think that Carmelo's suspension has a game or two tacked on because he's a superstar-level player who is a face of the league. Stern, I'm sure, wants to be sure that everyone is on notice that superstars won't get preferrential treatment and might actually be held to a higher standard than other players in some cases.
The Palace showdown was different, to be sure. But, there also can't be much doubt that what went down in Detroit that night forever changed the way that this commissioner is going to look at on-court behavior and punish those who go astray. Had there never been a melee in Detroit, the suspensions in this case would likely not be as harsh; but the players live in the shadow of what went down that night and they have to know that on-court fighting is going to be punished fairly severely from here on out. I don't really think there's any problem with creating that sort of deterrent effect.
I don't understand how anyone can think that Carmelo Anthony isn't responsible for his actions; I don't understand how anyone can think that contrition on the day after should have had any bearing on the extent of his punishment. If he wanted to limit his suspension, he should have walked back to his team's bench when the fight initially cooled down. He didn't do that and saying "I'm sorry" on Sunday morning and apologizing to the whole world doesn't make one bit of difference in that equation.
Melo's suspension should be 5 games max. This punishment is ridiculous.
The Spurs have won championships with some of the meanest enforcers of the last decade. Jerome Kersey, Kevin Willis and Tony Massenburg didn't exactly back down from fights. Players like Will Perdue, Mario Elie and Glenn Robinson would have been ready to throw down.
The Spurs win championships because they are good at basketball. Not because they are good citizens or whatever.
Seriously what does Isiah have on the commissioner that he can get away with being such a loser and still be in this league?
I appreciate his Detroit lead teams but the guy has been nothing but a blight to anything he has touched afterwards. He should be in charge of a teams draft picks but nothing else. The guy needs to take a seat.
I agree, you gotta have at least one...
Of course I don't think Pop has ever said anything to his players that I'm sure Isiah has....
Good point. Those guys mentioned would take care of their own but not to where it would have cost the team like suspensions do. They were mean, but smart.The Spurs have won championships with some of the meanest enforcers of the last decade. Jerome Kersey, Kevin Willis and Tony Massenburg didn't exactly back down from fights. Players like Will Perdue, Mario Elie and Glenn Robinson would have been ready to throw down.
The Spurs win championships because they are good at basketball. Not because they are good citizens or whatever.
agreedI agree, you gotta have at least one...
Of course I don't think Pop has ever said anything to his players that I'm sure Isiah has....
In addition to that, JR Smith would be a Spur right now if that trade didn't fall through. And if there was any way on earth Carmelo could come to San Antonio, Pop would give up his first born to get him.
I would like to see something happen to Isiah though. He is getting off scot free.
Then again, maybe the commish figures coaching the Knicks is punishment enough.
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