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    i don't know just what to make of this... on one hand you have our best 3 pnt shooter and a decent (if somewhat erratic) backup point. on the other you have a potential player who could solve multiple problems for you and age wise is at his prime. i'd say do it and put tony in a bubble after every game. corey's big body, while not necessarily tall is very wide and could help us tremendously when it comes to 'bounds. he has also produced a couple of 20 pnt avg seasons and having a dependable scorer, not necessarily shooter, but scorer could prove invaluable when we get hit by the injury bug again (it's inevitable).

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    I said in another thread about it that I doubted the Spurs would deal both Barry/Beno in a deal unless they were getting a PG back. I guess that's the case.

    Kori, I will be nice

    Like I said if it's not broken lets ride out the season with it.

    I have a good feeling that the team we currently have is jelling better, and they are faster when the right 5 are on the court.

    So it will be good if we look and changes next season and work with what we have now.


    Happy New Year to all of you

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    As much as I love Barry, I'd do this trade for the same reasons that have been previously stated. If it's one thing we have learned, it's that depending on shooting to win games is a huge mistake. There is no guarantee that Barry will stay hot the rest of the season or the playoffs (and that is all he is there for). On the other hand, Maggette goes to the basket and given minutes (which are there if he plays well) could play good defense with his athletic ability. Remember, winning changes bad at udes all the time.

    At PG, you have Parker, Vaughn, and Manu handles the ball a lot anyway. There would be an extra roster spot as well, so if totally necessary, the Spurs can get a really cheap PG. Whatever, it's really a no-brainer unless they are depending on Barry's shooting for the rest of the year...not a good idea.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    My thoughts exactly. Since when do we put 100% stock into the blurbs we read in the Express-News?* There have been arguments for and against this trade, but we all realize that some kind of change needs to be made and we need to have faith that whatever happens will be for the best.

    Now I'm going to take off the Pollyanna dress...
    POP, FIND US A ING DEPENDABLE BACKUP PG!!!!!!!












    *No offense to JBlaze.
    Actually, the EN is actually very accurate considering Ludden and Moore usually get their info straight from the horse's mouth. Other sources of information can be scrutinized a lot more, but the EN is usually a very accurate source for Spurs information - especially when coming from Ludden.

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    I didn't really believe this article last night, but after rereading it today, it sounds completely like what Pop would say. I think its a mistake, and a huge mistake at that. If rebounding and a lack of athleticism cost us a le run this year, mark this day on your calenders.

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    *No offense to JBlaze.
    You can trust that any of the area college/high school box scores I type have been scrutinized with the utmost importance for their accuracy.

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    What exactly is being offered for Maggette right now? We know the Artest deal is off the table. There are suggestions Miami is offering something for him and the possibility of something from Toronto, but nothing obvious and perhaps nothing. Like Artest, Maggette has a number of question marks. Not as harsh, naturally, but they're there. Maggette wanting to start may drive away teams like Toronto that have solid rotations already (even giving up MoPete) and who are trying to develop strong locker rooms.

    Maybe the Spurs are seeing how low the price can get. If the Clips are all-fired to get rid of Maggs, maybe he can be had for expirings and a couple incentives. No one is exactly burning a path to the door to get him. He's really expensive. And LAC may be pleased to see him go just to wipe the money away, if they see they can't get any great talent for him.

    So maybe the Spurs are trying to get him without parting with Barry.

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    Just add a second rounder and they'll accept.

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    What exactly is being offered for Maggette right now? We know the Artest deal is off the table. There are suggestions Miami is offering something for him and the possibility of something from Toronto, but nothing obvious and perhaps nothing. Like Artest, Maggette has a number of question marks. Not as harsh, naturally, but they're there. Maggette wanting to start may drive away teams like Toronto that have solid rotations already (even giving up MoPete) and who are trying to develop strong locker rooms.

    Maybe the Spurs are seeing how low the price can get. If the Clips are all-fired to get rid of Maggs, maybe he can be had for expirings and a couple incentives. No one is exactly burning a path to the door to get him. He's really expensive. And LAC may be pleased to see him go just to wipe the money away, if they see they can't get any great talent for him.

    So maybe the Spurs are trying to get him without parting with Barry.
    Probably impossible considering the salaries. They probably need Barry's contract to make a deal work.

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    BTW, the Clippers might be a good team for Beno to go to because he wouldn't have to handle the ball. I wonder how he feels about this.

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    So maybe the Spurs are trying to get him without parting with Barry.
    Or Beno.
    By trading Barry for Maggette, Spurs will lost some shooting and playmaking. Shooting and playmaking are Beno's main qualities. Spurs have maybe yoo still the hope that Beno will be a better backup PG than Vaughn.

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    Bonner+Udrih+Williams works, but it's unlikely LAC does that. You're right: Williams+Udrih alone doesn't cut it.

    This seems to be a Luis Scola-type scenario. He's a valuable player, but buyout+cost to trade for him+lack of NBA experience has driven down Scola's value.

    In the same way, I wonder how much Maggette is truly worth. You have a similar calculus:

    Corey Maggette = malcontent+big injury issues+an expensive and long contract+desire to start = what value?

    The Spurs may be out of it completely. Or they are factoring what other teams might want to do. It looks like LAC isn't seeing a lot of good offers, SAS knows that, and is trying to lowball. If they don't have to get rid of Brent Barry, why would they?

    The line warning Maggs he wouldn't get much time in San Antonio-- I wonder if this is the standard line given by the Spurs and wonder if they wouldn't mind eventually starting him and bringing Ginobili off the bench. That would rock.

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    Saying he wouldn't get more than 26mpg here is ing re ed. Maggs is better than Finley, and who else would play more off the bench?

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    I like the trade. Just do it. Rebounding is too big a problem now as it was last playoffs. Magette could give the Spurs that Bonzi Wells type of muscle rebounding that is desperately needed.

    If a PG is not included in the deal there is still Jacque and (erratic) Manu. Plus it might help activate Butler or get James White back down here with the extra roster spot available.

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    Eh, maybe we're going for Artest now....


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    I like a Magette trade except I'd hate to give up Barry for him and the Clips aren't going to want Beno and some combo involving Williams. Plus if we had maggette, Finley and Maggette someone would get splinters in their asses.

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    trade horry who is doin nothin

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    Maggette didn't start with the Clips today...i think he's bound to part ways with them....

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    He is gone...the only question is where.

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    Maggette didn't start with the Clips today...i think he's bound to part ways with them....
    He hasn't started for them all year. Only twice.

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    He just played 2/3 of the first half. No trade is imminent.

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    Barry+Beno+2nd rounder for Maggette+Ewing. Win situation for both teams. Pull the in trigger already.

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    Barry+Beno+2nd rounder for Maggette+Ewing. Win situation for both teams. Pull the in trigger already.
    Did you read the front article? The Spurs are saying No.

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    I know they are saying no. I just can't stand they aren't doing this.

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    Chances are the Clips are trying to get something else included in the trade that the Spurs consider a poison pill.

    Or the Spurs are just pulling some in the media to call out Beno again.

    Or they're not going to do anything until the trading deadline like they do every year.

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