The Suns were without Nash the second half so it even out a little. Don't make Camby out to be an All World Defender. I doubt any team in the west loses sleep worrying about Camby patrolling the paint. By the way even with Camby getting those numbers versus the Suns they have owned Denver the last 2 years. The Suns are 7-1 versus Denver the last 2 seasons. 8-1 if you include this season.you do realise AI AND Camby didnt play against the Suns, right?
Camby averaged 17.7/14.0/2.33 vs the Suns last year. He is a HUGE factor when those teams face. I guarantee Barbosa would not have had easy layups in the 4th if Camby was patrolling the paint
u do realise he leads the leagues in shots blocked dont u?
Your kidding yourself if you dont think teams worry about his help defense. There is no way Barbosa just strolls into the paint if Camby is waiting there. Camby is always one of the candidates for DPOY
Please tell me other people here recognise the difference Camby makes in the paint
The Nuggets man on man D still sucks and the Suns have more offensive weapons which is why they win, but Camby always makes a difference on D.
Yeah sure but he is not blocking every shot. Plus he is going to have his hands full with Stoudemire. Thats assuming if he even stays healthy.
Your kidding yourself if you dont think teams worry about his help defense. There is no way Barbosa just strolls into the paint if Camby is waiting there. Camby is always one of the candidates for DPOY
Please tell me other people here recognise the difference Camby makes in the paint
The Nuggets man on man D still sucks and the Suns have more offensive weapons which is why they win, but Camby always makes a difference on D.
hahaha you are truly a sad sad idividual.
If the Celtics are healthy and end up playing the Queens in the "Teams that suck ass" finals I guarantee the Queens get swept...now kindly off loser
The Suns just don't match up well with the West, at all. Every team seems to have some huge advantage that the Suns' can't handle. Such as:
San Antonio - doesn't let Phoenix shoot 3's, kills them on the boards, knows how to get easy baskets against their soft defense
Utah - one of the best shooting teams in the league uses their huge rebounding edges to basically trade baskets with Phoenix, but win the game with more shots and blocks at the rim.
Dallas - Like Utah, Dallas kills Phoenix on the boards, making sure they get a lot more shots. Also, Dallas protects the ball. Basically, Dallas wins by getting 10-15 more possessions per game.
L.A. Lakers - Again....good defensive rebounding team. Phoenix has to shoot the ball very well against them every game to win, because there are no second chance points to be had.
Houston is the only team I think doesn't have a prayer at beating the Suns. Phoenix would just wear them out too easily.
If the Celtics are healthy and end up playing the Queens in the "Teams that suck ass" finals I guarantee the Queens get swept...now kindly off loser
aint you a suns fan?
i actually think Nene will stick with Amare when they meet. Camby isnt strong or quick enough to guard Amare in the paint. Nene is getting stronger and quicker as he gets healthy again and his D is slowly getting better.
That last game it was a good duel between the two for the most part. (Nene finished with 27pts and Amare 36pts)
You're on a roll tonight!
NOOOO! The Celts would rather have the best pick.
If the Celtics are healthy and end up playing the Queens in the "Teams that suck ass" finals I guarantee the Queens get swept...now kindly off loser
You're on a roll tonight!
50% of the time my predictions are right all the time.......... just like i called the colts winning the bowl
You're football predictions are good, I'll give you that.
But your basketball predictions suck ass, and this would be a failed prediction saying the Nuggets could beat the Mavs in a series. In fact, such a thought makes me chuckle out loud.
*makes mental note of thread so when the mav s get tossed by the nuggets i am sure to give this a bumpity bump
Fillmoe I have a hard time seeing the Nuggets even take the Mavs to 5 games let alone beat them. Are you sure you want to stick with ths?
If the Nuggets are as good as you think they are they will get a better seed spot than 8. 6 or 7 may be more like it.
I agree. I think they play hard all the time now and won't really have another level to go to in the playoffs like most teams do. At the same time, I'd rather not play them cuz you know it's going to be a very physical series.
You watch zero Suns games. Suns don't give up 10-15 extra rebounds per game to Utah and the Mavs - in fact, they tied the Jazz last game, but Okur was on fire in the 4th.
I guess the Spurs lost by 16 with all those easy baskets they got and 3's they "didn't give up"?
Don't start bringing in number of possessions vs. the Mavs since you discredit the argument in any other thread on this board. Likewise, if it took the Mavs 10-15 "extra possessions" to win by 2 in December, then I guess the Suns' defense is better than you think.
Suns have played the Lakers once this year, in the first game of the season, so now you're going Rosen on us and making sweeping arguments based on limited observation.
Why don't we just go ahead and say the Suns are sucking huge right now with Nash and Diaw out? The guys on the floor are turning into big pussies when the offense isn't clicking and they become lazier on defense as a result. I've been pulling for Marcus Banks all season, but the Suns have been outscored by 43 in the last two games while he's on the floor... time to cut the experiment.
Everyone is trying too hard out there and Marion/Bell can't hit a shot to save their lives. Amare is being very active and a very good teammate (cheering from the sidelines) these days, so that's all the positive I can take out of it. Still, the officiating was terrible both ways last night against Chicago - I thought I was watching a YMCA game with rookie refs. It's like Amare doesn't know what to do, because one game, he can get away with a lot and the next, he's got 2 fouls 3 mins into the first quarter and has to sit down. I don't understand why Ben Wallace can flop to pick up offensive fouls but then hack the out of Amare in the 4th with no calls. Then Luol Deng goes down and is destroyed by Marion with no whistle and it pisses me off even more - refs need the all star break to unwind as well.
In the end, Burke hustles, but he's too raw; and I think Jalen Rose should play more out there than Banks these days because his intelligence could save them at least 5 turnovers per game, and he can distribute the ball very well.
Last edited by RonMexico; 02-12-2007 at 12:09 PM.
Mavs >>>> Suns....sorry a homer like you can't accept it. The Mavs are the WC Champs and team to beat. Road to the Finals in the West goes through Dallas and not Phoenix.....
I'll wait to reserve final judgement on the Sun's defense but so far I just don't see any improvement in the games I've watched. I'm seriously looking for it as many Sun's fans and a couple of national media guys have said they were improved. Maybe I'm just watching the wrong games. Their defense absolutely SUCKED last night vs. the Bulls. Last week, they held the Spurs to a low point total but that was because the Spurs couldn't hit WIDE OPEN shots. I'm sure the return of K.Thomas will help, so I'll wait and see after that. As I've said before though, I've only seen some of their games (about 12-14 of them I'd guess) so I'm sure I've missed some of their good defensive performances.
So the Mavs are the west champs and #1 in the conference and that makes TheMulvaney's ridiculous comments correct? After spending a weekend in your city, I've come to understand that logic isn't the forte of DFW, so I'm going to start cutting you a little slack, but still... this addresses not a single point I made.
Specific to the Mavs, he'll say the Suns have no defense but then say the Mavs get "10-15 extra possessions" but only win by 2? What?
Well, this comes from the guy who created a thread to ask if the Mavs should pull a Celtics and start tanking for the sake of the fragile Spurs.
Last edited by RonMexico; 02-12-2007 at 12:20 PM.
Yeah, they played like against Chicago - I addressed it in my argument, but when their offense is stagnant, they get lazy and non-active on defense and that's what happened (again) last night. D'Antoni discussed how Dallas will maintain mental focus at all times and that's the strongest hurdle for the Suns because they have all the talent in the world, but just need to harness it for good.
Actually, the Mavs are struggling with maintaining mental focus but it's usually in games where they have big leads. The Rocket game on Friday night was good for them as the Mavs realized that they had to focus the entire game.
I think the Suns should give Rose a chance to play some decent minutes and show what he can do.
Yeah, I don't know why Jalen is on the bench. I have a feeling that his +/- would be off the charts. Mavs and Suns are probably suffering from the pre-All-Star lull, but there's no doubt the Suns' focus has been off with two 4th-quarter meltdowns last week.
http://www.82games.com/0607/0607PHO.HTM
For +/- stats. Rose's aren't very great. -13 when he's on the court and +9 when he's off the court.
As much as I'd like to see Rose play, I'm beginning to wonder about him being on the team.
He recently gave an interview and said that the Suns offered to let him leave the team to go where he could get PT. But he declined saying he was happy being here.
But if you watch him play, all he does is run to a corner and stand there until it's time to go play defense. Or is that really the offensive involvement Antoni wants Rose to have when he gets his limited time on the court?
He isn't a 3 point threat by any means, his career average is 35% which is decent for guy who occassionally launches one.
Last edited by AZLouis; 02-12-2007 at 03:06 PM.
Don't 3 of the Suns run to a spot beyond the 3pt line on every offensive set? Nash drives and/or pick 'n rolls with Amare or kicks it out to one of the 3 guys? Isn't that pretty much their offense? That definitely doesn't fit Jalen's game but I'd think they could use him in a different way when he was on the court. That guy has always been able to score.
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