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    elson's going to play that way again like amaechi's going to abstain from the hot carl.
    lol

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    The media and a lot of the Tim Hardaway lashers have gone out of their way to cause an uproar about this. There are some questions to ask though. Do their actions correspond with their negative spotlight on Hardaway? What would they do if their son or daughter came out? What are their true feelings?

    Examples:

    Lesbianism is rampant in the WNBA. Since it is an accurate measurement of a fraction of the league, why doesn't the WNBA ever speak of it on a public scale? They have a large number of lesbian fans, why not show women holding hands together in some of their commercials? If it's truly no problem to Stern, why avoid it?

    The commentators and pundits all act presumably as if they have no problem with gays and feel they are just another demographic segment of society such as race or gender. What would their reaction be if their son or daughter came out they were gay? According to what they are saying, it should be a non-issue as they are just another person. However, everyone knows that is not the case.

    Some of the commentators/media don't really say their personal feelings on gays, but criticize Hardaway and talk about how other players feel. Where do they stand if they were being truly candid?

    If that's how Tim Hardaway feels, then I think he is a very honest person who is being portrayed or branded as a huge bigot by people that probably don't like gays either but are afraid of being outted. By definition of bigotry, Tim Hardaway is one, but I don't like the media playing the commentary card when some are not saying what they truly think or hiding what they truly think.

    I have a problem with Tim Hardaway's comments for two reasons. 1 is he backed down from his comments. That was very weak. If you are going to be a hardass and say something controversial, you can't back down once you say it. 2 is he said he hates all gay people.

    When you blanket statement a group of people like that, it's ignorant because you don't know every single one of them. I played on an intrammural basketball team with a guy in school and found out later he was gay. He was still the same nice guy to me when I found out he was gay, but he was just gay now. I thought of him differently because of what he did though. Nobody in mainstream media ever goes into this, but what gay guys actually do is pretty disgusting. But I can't hate the guy just because he is or wants to appear he is gay.

    I've found out probably 9 or 10 people I knew personally whether at work or school were gay and I never hated any of them. I still thought they were the same person as far as being nice, organized, funny, disgruntled as before they were gay. I just thought of them differently for what they did behind closed doors.

    I don't like this new advancement trend where you are wrong if you don't like gayness. I don't like the idea of being gay. I don't think people should be gay. I don't like people who claim to be Christians advocating or supporting gays. I have a problem with that because if you say you are Christian, you are supposed to be supporting Christian values, not gay values.

    In society, I think people that choose to be gay should be accepted and not hated though. If a gay guy applies for my job and he outqualifies a straight guy, gay guy wins. But I don't want to have to adapt my company to where I have to have a Gay Day party because I had a Christmas party. And I'm not going to promote being gay because that's not how I believe people should be.

    On the most fundamental aspect of the topic, my main problem is that people hide behind the curtains because they are afraid. Easier said than done right? Yeah, well the times have turned. John Amaechi is being promoted and put in the sunlight because he is diverse and gay and saying he is gay. Tim Hardaway is an evil villian who is being outcasted for saying he hates gays. Not too long ago, it was the exact opposite.

    As I said before, I don't agree with gayness and I don't like gayness. I don't want my family to be gay. But, if I come across a gay person, I don't just hate them because they are gay. I could even see me being their friend. But I won't ever promote gay people or pretend like if 33% of America was gay that I would just be fine with that.

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    As idealistic as my post was, I have to admit I know exactly why Stern or ESPN rides the fence. If I lose millions of dollars in bad publicity, I'd play the politician card too. There are a lot of things, no amount of money could make me change. But, I'd keep my candid views on gays in the closet for cash. I don't care that much about them one way or the other.

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    Thinking it is fine but he never should have said what he did i have no idea what the he was thinking. I myself am not too comfortable around Gay men but i would not go off like he did, i would just keep that info to myself.

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    the problem isnt that we believe that everyone is en led to believe and do what they please. I mean seriously, people reserve the right to do what they want. Its the fact that we as a society have been lied to, to brainwash us to think that its morally correct to be homesexual and that there is nothing inherently wrong with any of it.

    Someone once said something along the lines of, you repeat a lie loud enough and long enough, then people will begin to believe it. Well, there you go.

    We as a country have began to take sympathy for any and everything that moves and now everything has a cause. And now, a nation built upon biblical principles is now falling for a total lack of them anywhere.

    Really, if what everyone does is there own business then why does John feel the need to blast this in books and in the news?? Sure youre gay, ok lets move on. But with ESPN backing his book, now were going to be bombarded with John Amechi talk for weeks just because homeboy wanted to make a lil change when he could have done that on a street corner in san francisco...

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    And now, a nation built upon biblical principles is now falling for a total lack of them anywhere.
    You know what else the United Stated was (quite literally) built on? Slavery.

    Somehow they've managed to deal, even though it was abolished 200 years ago.

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    You know what else the United Stated was (quite literally) built on? Slavery.

    Somehow they've managed to deal, even though it was abolished 200 years ago.
    plz tell me youre not trying to compare the birth of a nation through biblical principles to slavery... under that analogy i could say a lot of things but i wont.

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    So, since slavery was being practiced in a "nation birthed by biblical principles" either slavery is supported by biblical principles or the nation wasn't actually following those biblical princples. Is there a third option I'm missing here?

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    What arrogance, what stupidity. I cannot believe that someone with so many years, DECADES, of dealing with the media, would say something so hateful and utterly stupid. He obviously has some serious problems with himself.

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    Why would a man stick his wag inside of another mans @$$hole?
    Why would he want to suck on another mans genitals?

    This is why I hate gay people.

    Their disgusting.
    The same reason why black people "want" to be black, Hispanics "want" to have tanned skin, midgets "want" to be small.

    And because your comments pertained only to male sexuality, I'm anxious to hear what you think about female sexuality...

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    so I guess freedom of speech doesn't exist anymore?

    he should have said something like this.

    "I have no fondess(I hate)for people that partake in immoral and perverse activity( s), they( s) have no place in my house and I would rather stay away(be segregated)from them( s)"

    same thing he said, but with the confusing nature of intelligence.......when you articulate at a high level the dumbass masses don't even get it......and you can say whatever the you want.
    Who said freedom of speech doesn't exist anymore? Freedom of speech exists, but being exempt from looking like an ignorant prick while exercising your right to do so, and thus being criticized for it--that will always exist.

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    Your stupid.....the black, hispanc, dwarf can't do anything about their cir stance(there is no choice). At least you can choose NOT to have a prick in your ass.
    No, it's a chemical inbalance. Just like how some people don't feel sympathy when they kill, or how some people are depressed, or any other social disorder. People are inclined to do things that make them happy, but may not make other people happy, and this is because we are all DIFFERENT. Is it their fault for having a preference, that obviously fullfills their desires? Our behavior is dictated by combination of our genetic make-up and our environment. We do have the ability to make choices, of course, but we cannot choose our desires. This is something innate.

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    I like Tim and what he said..... s suck.
    So do idiots.

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    What a bigoted jack ass. Sadly he is not the only one. While I don't agree with that lifestyle I say live and let live. Is his life not Hardaway's.

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    gays=idiots..........I agree 100%

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    gays=idiots..........I agree 100%
    Bye...

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    doesn't saying you don't "agree" with their lifestyle" just a sissy ass way of saying you hate them too?......please everyone be your own person and don't let anyone(gays) tell you what to think, or say........haven't we been through this in the late 60's, early 70's????

    I don't agree with it but I am not going to say I hate them. I am nobody to judge someone else and neither is anybody on this board. If I see a gay person I am not going to confront them and say I don't agree with your lifestyle. Thats the problem with the world today intolerance.

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    doesn't saying you don't "agree" with their lifestyle" just a sissy ass way of saying you hate them too?......please everyone be your own person and don't let anyone(gays) tell you what to think, or say........haven't we been through this in the late 60's, early 70's????

    I won't insult your intelligence. You're doing that for me.

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    there is plenty of tolerance in the world(porn/gays---perhaps too much), but lets not give in too much to all the freaky or the next thing you know pedaphiles and people who want to marry animals will want their rights too.
    No one is saying that but if gay people go to work, pay thier taxes and don't bother no one just let them be. They not hurting anyone.

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    And now, a nation built upon biblical principles is now falling for a total lack of them anywhere.
    Yeesh, I'm consistently surprised by the utter inability of people to absorb anything from their civics classes.

    Biblical principles? Right, show me where in the myriad writings of the founding fathers did they specifically state we are being founded on the principles of the Bible. Which, if I can remind you, also states that one of the serious crimes is onanism. You say we should follow 'biblical principles', well and good. Just one problem, which Bible? Which translation? Which iteration? Should we go Hebrew Bible (the Torah is a Bible? Yes it is!)? Or maybe the Greek Orthodoxy Bible (which as far as we know is the closest to the originally selected canon)? Or maybe we should go with the Bible before it was edited by the Popes?

    One of my favorite parts about these types of debates is how quickly one side degenerates into random blithering, straw man arguments, logical fallacies and unsubstantiated argumentative declarations, not to mention blindingly foolish blanket statements.

    The core point is this, free speech is not free, the exercise of it should be tempered by some degree of restraint. More so, when an individual speaks in a manner that is obviously inflammatory and "hate"-filled repercussions and discussions need to follow. Those replying have as much a right, if not more, to voice their opinion, in this case I find it completely warranted. To advocate the murder of millions of people is not and never should be acceptable in a social society.

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    ..............and I am NOT phobic.

    you're full of . after reading some of your ignorant comments in this thread, i'd really hate to see what comments people who admit to being phobic would have to say.

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    I don't agree with it but I am not going to say I hate them. I am nobody to judge someone else and neither is anybody on this board. If I see a gay person I am not going to confront them and say I don't agree with your lifestyle. Thats the problem with the world today intolerance.
    hey its just wrong and immoral. And thats what it is. But its also an opinion that im en led to. Theres nothing that suggests that i or anyone need to be open minded about it.

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    No one is saying that but if gay people go to work, pay thier taxes and don't bother no one just let them be. They not hurting anyone.
    Yeah but if were forced to live through all this ESPN bullcrap then thats imparting on my viewing entertainment. Thats when people say things. If he kept it to himself the same then none of this would be an issue.

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    Yeah but if were forced to live through all this ESPN bullcrap then thats imparting on my viewing entertainment. Thats when people say things. If he kept it to himself the same then none of this would be an issue.
    Use the remote

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    Everyone is en led to their opinions if Tim chooses not to approve of gayness then it's none of your concern. I don't approve of gays either but I don't go to their houses and harass them about it, just as you all shouldn't harass Tim because of his opinion. The man can believe whatever he wants.

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