a typical frontal team picture, where all players stand still in the same position, is usually a good way to compare the size of the players.
in your picture Ian is in front of Johnson.
and btw. you did realize that -other than Ian -Johnson is in street cloths. so he likely is wearing flat shoes and Ian wears basketball sneakers. the typical sneakers sole is 1 inch thicker than the sole of a flat street shoe.
Open your eyes and stop bringing stupid arguments just to be right.
In your picture some players are closer than others too.
Bottomline is that you want to bash Spurs FO for all their recent moves and that doesn't hurt you to be dishonest or to say nonsense just to prove your point. Pathetic.
Continue your stupid bashing as much as you want, I'm done talking with you.
Have a nice day.
Bruno.
RIF.
Have I said that Spurs shouldn't sign Scola ? No
Have I said that Scola will be a burst in nba ? No
I've just said that players don't really average more rebounds/min in nba than in europe.
I think that Scola will average the same rebounding numbers per minute in nba than what he does in europe and he will be with these numbers an average rebounder in nba.
jesus christ, what problems do you have??????????????????????????????
you lose your mind, because someone else dares to contradict your points.
you were the one who claimed this Ian is 6-10 at least, but that isn't true.
pure and simple.
not that is would matter, but as much as you usually know, about Ian you are wrong IMO (yes, just in my oppinion), unfortunatly not only about his size.
yes, I bash the FOs decission to pick him. since I have seen him play serveral times. it is OK that many Spurs fans still hope that he will turn out to be a NBA player one day and it is ok that you are one of them, but allow me that I do have an absolutly different oppinion about him.
and allow me, that I contradict all those incredible arguments, that claim why he can't do any better etc.
from what I have seen, I don't think that he will ever be a NBA player. belive me, I would prefer to see a future NBA player when watching Ian, but I don't.
that's all.
(btw. you can call me a smart-ass or whatever for insisting on my point, because unfortunatly it's right.
but I would appreciate if you stop calling me dishonest, because I just quote facts that are not my fiction, but are easy to check. same with the words pathetic and nonsense. you will find out, that I don't use them for excoriate
other posters who don't share my oppinion. that goes for you either, who's oppinion I do respect, but in the case of Ian don't share)
I don't know if Ian will ever be a NBA player. I must admit he didn't improved the way I hopped. But he is still very young so... wait and see.
About his size, I don't think it really matters but on Pau site he is listed at 2.08. This is exactly 6'10.
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His le is Director of College Player Personnel.
As far as my limited research shows, it is a new le and new position. Beforehand, college scouting seemed to have been done by everyone else, except Demps I guys who is the NBA scout. So I guess that leaves RC, some other guy, Presti, and Presti's college buddies.
It doesn't really matter but I understood that Ian was 206cm when they drafted him and 208cm now. I don't know if it's shoes, no shoes, whatever but it doesn't really matter. He's a solid height for an NBA bigman.
Now if he can stop fouling, that's another story.
378 minutes played.
81 personal fouls.
37 blocks.
Those aren't Ian Mahinimi's numbers...
They are David Robinson's...a guy who arguably turned into the greatest shotblocker ever and one of the elite defensive players of all time.
I guess it sometimes takes growing bigmen a while to get used to their body. Doesn't help if they are new to the game.
IF the worst problem Mahinmi has is picking up fouls he'll be ok.
He's 6'10, he plays hard(too hard and that's probably why he gets so many fouls), he's extremely quick and athletic for a man his size, and he can jump out of the gym...won't take much for him to make it to the NBA.
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after some weeks of DNPs Sanikidze saw some court time yesterday:
5:09 min 0 0/0 0% 0/0 0% 0/0 0% 0 0+0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 -1
(the 1 is a foul)
it's not only the mullet.
looking at his pic, maybe the pressure of being taken before Ariza finally made Sanikidze snap, and now he thinks he's a pirate.
The issue is not really how tall Ian is. If hes 6'10 or 6'9 it doesn't matter. What really matters is how long his arms are and how high the guy can jump.
Thats why a guy like Saer Sene, a center who measures 6'11, was so intriguing to Seattle. The guy has a 7'8 wingspan.
The spurs currently have 7 players who play the 4 or 5.
-Ely and Bonner have expiring contracts (bonner will be re-signed)
-Horry has mentioned about possibly retiring after this season
-Oberto has player option and will likely be with team for 2007-2008
-Elson has one more year on contract and will be back
-Butler has 2 more year and will hopefully be traded in the off-season.
-TD will retire in a spurs uniform in about 5-6 years.
The spurs will only be losing 2 bigmen (for sure ely and probably either horry or butler) which only opens a roster spot for probably 1 more pf/c on the active roster. I do not think they will bring scola until 2008-2009 season.
Why are we losing Ely "for sure"?
The only way ely is signed is is horry retires, or butler is moved, or scola stays over seas. I think bonner will be a priority to sign probably in the 3-3.5 mil. range. I also do not believe the spurs would offer more than 2.5 mil. to ely for no longer than probably a 1 year contract..I think ely will be offered a contract in the 3-4 mil. range in the offseason..So if it makes you feel better I will take back the "for sure" and change it to "probably" not signing with the spurs
I think Scola stays overseas.he only way ely is signed is is horry retires, or butler is moved, or scola stays over seas.I don't think he has done anything to merit that.I think ely will be offered a contract in the 3-4 mil. range in the offseason.
I agree with you on ely not really proving much in the NBA, but how often do you see teams throwing money on a player who they hope can fill a need. A team like the knicks or someone who has unlimited $$ will always overpay for average players..
I really don´t think S.A offered Scola´s rights to anybody this year before the trade deadline,and will give it a last shot this summer.If they can come up with a deal with Tau,as far as Scola´s buyout,they´ll sign him this summer,If not,well I think they´ll just give up on him.
I wish the Spurs would deal Scola's rights. There's no sense adding yet another Argentine player who will need at least a year of adjustment.
I'd rather they invest time, effort and $$$ in seeing evaluating whether Ely can be the force @ PF.
any player,eather from Argentina,Europe or the NBA would need a year to adjust to the spurs system.
I'm so sick of Spurs fans dropping back and second guessing this front office's picks. You can stop ing about players like Josh Howard and the like, because you aren't going to make a great player out of every draft pick you have. In fact, if you make a good player out of half of your picks, you're doing a damn good job and considering the Spurs have gotten 2 of their big three with less than stellar picks they're doing quite well. Manu is probably the 2nd best 2nd round pick OF ALL TIME and Tony was damn near a 2nd round pick himself.
They haven't made bad picks in the 1st round with the exception of Beno. And you can argue that Beno has all the talent in the world to be a 1st round pick, but it was his intangibles that stop him from working out. They didn't pass on Howard for a Euro, they passed on him for Jason Kidd so it would be really nice if people would stop revising history and stick to what actually happened.
The one problem I have - and it feels like this has to be stated over and over and over and over again on this board - is that the Spurs have traded away their 1st round picks that could have been effective in order to save money. But lets be honest - had they drafted Josh Howard - he wasn't guaranteed to succeed here and where was the money going to come from to pay everyone? The Spurs are already at the Luxury Tax with Tony and Manu and if Howard had blown up here who would they keep?
If you had to pick 3 out of the 4 of Duncan, Manu, Tony, and Howard, I know who I exclude and he's the guy that is in Dallas right now. I sure as would rather have Manu and Duncan. And while he may be a toss up with Parker - I think Tony impacts the game far more than Howard does.
People can about all they want out of context, but when you compare this front office to the rest of the league, you find that they may not have drafted perfectly but overall the team management of the Spurs is very efficient and good at what they do.
Viktor Sanikidze looks like a bad motherf'er.
Nice hissy fit, Manny, but you do make some good points. Still, I'd rather have Josh Howard than nothing. His contract blimps out next year, but lately he's making far less than Fabricio Oberto. Would you rather have Oberto than him? I guess you would. If they couldn't keep him for a large contract extension, they could trade him for a nice assortment of draft picks, with the bonus of having had him last year, we'd be working on a repeat. What a novel idea -- a tradeable commodity, and young talent.
I'm still not clear on why Josh Howard's extremely small starting salary as a rookie would have killed a Jason Kidd deal. If he would come at $xxx, a massive figure, he'd come at $xxx-$less than 1 million. No, the Spurs just didn't think they needed him, which was historically stupid.
No FO is above being second-guessed. That's the fun thing about sports and that's what we as fans do. Having said that, no one in their right mind would ever criticize the FO for finding and developing Parker and Ginobili. But that was 5-6 years ago. The fact is no FO type, or player for that matter, can continuously live off what they did in the past.
You can defend the FO all you want. The fact remains that them passing Josh Howard IS the biggest blunder of this current FO administration and it will haunt them for the next 10 years. If you think Josh Howard wouldn't have developed into a fine pro, whether here or there, then you don't know basketball or his personality.
Since you brought up the courting of Jason Kidd, let's look at that one. What shape would this franchise have been in had Kidd, along with his enormous contract, come aboard? And which one of the big three would the Spurs have had to part with to make that happen in a possible S&T scenario? Since there's no way the Nets would have allowed him to walk away w/o compensation.
What about the FO's fliration with Chris Webber that same summer, all the while dangling D-Rob as potential S&T bait for the Kings? It's true that sometimes the best deals are the ones that are never made.
Every FO is going to have its share of hits and misses in the draft, but passing on known commodities is absurd. As a two-time ACC player of the year, Howard would qualify as such. It's funny how some players who elect to stay in school longer tend to slide to the later rounds of the draft (i.e. Paul Milsap, Jameer Nelson, David Lee, Carlos Boozer, Howard). Don't tell me you can't always find good players in the later stages of the round.
Sure the Spurs have had their successes and have been praised for it. However, they've made their blunders as well. That doesn't make me or anyone else less of a fan for criticizing them for it.
As I've said before, I simply want the FO to balance out their scouting and drafting. They should stop being so dependent solely on the international market alone when there are good, productive players that are being overlooked in the domestic market - I'm not talking HS players either.
Mining the international front is a good strategy, just balance it out just a bit. In case you've forgotten, this is the talent acquisition business. It's all about what have you done for me lately.
"signing Scola to the contract he demanded."
his buyout was the killer, not the FO mistake.
It is very easy to second guess the past on any matter. The fact is that the spurs FO is probably in the top 5 of the NBA and have been for quite a while. It is very difficult to stay an elite team for 7+ years in any professional level due to late draft picks year in and year out and FA (just ask the lakers, knicks, or Jazz). Yes, they may have missed a couple of draft picks (howard), but no more than than 99% of teams who draft in the top 20 every year!!
great post SenorSpur.
noone has denied that the FO did a great job from 1997 to 2002. the genious work of that days is still the fundation of a very good team.
the critics question the strategies and decissions from 2002 till now. compared to all other teams it was average at best, compared to the golden days, it is quite a deep drop.
don't know what has happened. only bad Karma?
(well, one reason was for sure, that the other teams intensified their international scouting, so the Parkers and Ginobilis will no longer fall to the area where Spurs usually pick and that Spurs FO didn't react in time and now find out that the Sanikidzes and Karaulovs are in fact the left overs).
you can count me in as a fan who loves the international path of the Spurs. but as someone who follows the Euro basketball closer than NBA (just because it is easier for me to watch the games) I dare to claim that it just can't work only by aquiring Euro players.
if you can get a potential Manu (like Rudy Fernandez) with the 1st rounder: great!
try a late 2nd rounder on a less known player (like Maciulis): also ok.
but waste quite usefull picks by passing on Howard and picking Beno over Duhon, Sankidze over Ariza, Mahinmi over Lee is the sequel of a default.
some fans just want a change in the philosophy.
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