Simple:I think its going to be a great series. My only question about this thread is why their is a double standard by some when looking at the regular season. Dallas has been great, yada yada yada, everyone will admitt that; but then say that the only thing that matters is the playoffs. On the other side you have the Spurs, who have put together their first significant streak of the season, and all of a sudden they are the king s of the world; an all out gelled defensively superior power house that will be unbeatable come playoff time. So if Mavs can't judge the regular season success that they are having this year as a litmus test, I don't see how the Spurs fan can use this little spurt as the be all, tell all moment in NBA history
Mavs use Spurs as a yardstick
Spurs use Spurs as a yardstick
Spurs today saw that Spurs 05/06 were farther along at that time than they are right now
Whotha else are you gonna use for comparisons?
The Sun"s?
Ok.
Then you'll probably be one happy puppy.
And fighting for rebounds, and running after turnovers, and penetrating and kicking out, and aggressively double teaming, and setting hard picks, and playing for 36 minutes in a row. I'd say they are playing for 48 minutes in a row but they've so far been able to end the games in about 36.
All of these topics are always the same.
Mavs fans: We can beat the Spurs this year, Mavs will be champs!
Spurs fans: Ha... think you can do that in the playoffs, Mavs can't beat us! 3 rings! You... ZERO!!
Both sides are really getting tedious here.
(quote)Their worst nightmare is about to come true. After feeling that they made great strides last year (b4 choking to the Heat and after edging San Antonio), they now have a false sense of confidence .......
WORD!
Kori you made me think about this.
I think I'll borrow your phrase but change it a little bit don't get sore.
"Spurs fans are overconfident like crazy Manu!
I think the teams that face the Spurs, Suns, and Mavs in the first round will play a huge factor in who makes it to the Finals. Denver will have a low seed, but they have an explosive combo. Even if the Spurs, Suns, or Mavs get by a team like Denver it will take a toll on them.
Injuries play a huge factor too, and there is still time for that to happen. D Wade's injury helped the Pistons in 05, at the same time Sheed's injury helped Miami in 06. Richard Jefferson getting injured when the Nets were beating Miami helped the Heat in 06 as well. Duncan having multiple foot injuries effected the Spurs in the playoffs. Amare, and Joe Johnson's injuries changed the Suns. There is a lot of time for things to change.
The difference between being Overconfident and just plain Confident is that Spurs fans have seen first hand what it takes to win it all. Not come close, not have a great regular season, not beating up on the wannabes of the league etc. Starting and finishing.
Most people in here would agree that the Spurs' problem has been a lack of focus and determination. Some would say (David Chancellor, Don Harris, Walter P.) that we are just too old and slow..(P.S. Does anyone remeber the Celtics championship teams of the 80's ? Those athletic, alley-oop throwing, fast breaking Celtics ? Me neither.)
I think its been mental. It's been a "wake me when the playoffs are near" at ude that made them inconsistent. They can't help it. They understand its about playing your best when the playoffs start and being healthy.
Last year was last year and gave the Mavs confidence. Well, it gave the Spurs added motivation to the ultimate goal of winnning it all. I suspect they will have a little extra sumptin sumptin when they match up in the playoffs.
We are still way too y and prone to talking than we should be. I don't know why people are saying experience and Dallas choking will help us beat the Mavs...it didn't last year. Dallas are the favorites, we just need to accept that and hope that the Spurs man up and ing play the best they can to beat them in the playoffs.
Last I checked this is "Spurstalk". Spurs fans are going to be excited and confident on a Spurs board when the team is playing well and winning, especially when it's been a LONG time since they've had a stretch like this. The only thing more annoying than the endlessly multiplying Mavs fans on this board is fellow Spurs fans trying to throw cold water on the excitement. I love the Spurs, I want them to win. If they lose I'll be devastated. If I want to be "overconfident" I will be. It doesn't make someone a better Spurs fan because they kiss the asses of the Mavericks fans.
I was confident last year too, all the way up until Pop suddenly and inexplicably jerked everyone who was tall and not named Duncan out of the rotation just because nobody bothered to show up for game 2. If something ed up like that happens, my confidence will suffer. Right now it's looking rosy.
Fortunately, "we" pertains to fans being y. I am sure the Spurs want to go through Dallas on the way to the finals but they know it means continuing to improve.
I'm a y fan that is finally having a little fun talking because my boys are starting to get their together and are going on a nice little jog.
BTW, what year was it that we went on a 19 game winning streak ? I think it was '95 right ?
Nicely put. This is a FORUM !!! Talk all the you want and have some fun. Stop getting nervous or uptight.
Because the Spurs are an older team and they were intigrating a new center into their team/system. It'd be unrealistic to expect them to play great from the jump. I don't think any Spurs fan is saying we're way better than Dallas. All we're saying is when we play our A game then we can beat anybody, including Dallas. It's too bad both teams can't start the playoffs tomorrow.I think its going to be a great series. My only question about this thread is why their is a double standard by some when looking at the regular season. Dallas has been great, yada yada yada, everyone will admitt that; but then say that the only thing that matters is the playoffs. On the other side you have the Spurs, who have put together their first significant streak of the season, and all of a sudden they are the king s of the world; an all out gelled defensively superior power house that will be unbeatable come playoff time. So if Mavs can't judge the regular season success that they are having this year as a litmus test, I don't see how the Spurs fan can use this little spurt as the be all, tell all moment in NBA history
I know you're being sarcastic, but those Celtics teams DID have a good fast break. That 86 team averaged more points per game than Phx does now. You don't do that without a good fast break.
I don't know about y'all, but Denver is no problem for us. We've packed their in twice already. They don't match up well against us at all. Their starting guards are small and terrible defensively and our guys can go right by them or just shoot over them.
Saying the Mavs should've won in 5 last year is disengenuous. The only games of the series that were decisive wins at all were Games 2 for Dallas and Game 6 for SA. The other five were games that could've gone either way.
And don't get me started about Games 3 and 4 when Dallas got every single whistle. I have a feeling it's not gonna happen that way this time.
Everyone is already talking about a Mavs/Spurs WCF.I don't think people are giving the Suns enough credit.
Um, we're way better than Dallas.
Add Elson, Bonner and Vaughn to last year's team and an Oberto that knows the system well enough to use up his six fouls and that's an improvement to me. That doesn't even include having Parker, Ginobili and Duncan all healthy, which none were last May. The guys the Spurs lost didn't contribute at all in the playoffs so the team has to be much improved. Add to that the fact that they are playing more like a team than the guys who cruised to 63 wins last year did at any given stretch.
The Mavs have added Greg Buckner, Austin Croshere and Devean George to a team that lost Keith Van Horn and Darrell Armstrong (who both produced against the Spurs) and Marquis Daniels. The Mavs were probably as good last year as they are this year but fought nagging injuries to a number of key guys throughout the season and still ended up with a great record. If there's an X factor, it's probably got to be Erick Dampier, who has shown signs of life for the first time this season.
Those guys played smart basketball and ran great fast breaks. I just don't recall the alley oops and reverse dunks. Those Celtic teams were very balanced both offensively and defensively. They beat up on most everyone.
You must not have watched the Cavs/Mavs game the other night. If anyone wants to beat the Mavs, they are going to have to make sure it isn't a close game.
Right, but the point is you don't have to be athletic to have a good fast break. Hence the ridiculousness of the "old" argument.
I'm just saying that Carmelo and Iverson will take a toll on the opposition. Even if you guys win, or Dallas, or Phoenix. I mean would you rather face the Nuggets in the first round or a the Hornets?
Well we all know the nugs are sore losers and I rather have the Spurs face a team who doesnt try and hurt one of your key players.
And all this yap of over confident talking is pretty funny. If you watch the Spurs you know this is when they start to get it going for the season that matters and the 8 game blow out victories are something to take into consideration, these games are pretty much totally dominated by Spurs style tempo.
When you compare a tested and successful Championship team rolling like the Spurs are compared to a tested and failed team rolling like the Mavs are...guess who is going to get the benefit of the doubt...
Granted a healthy Spurs team its looking like a 6 game series at most...
Sweet jesus Kori was right. How delusional are some of you guys?
I'm not going to re-hash the rest of the arguments in this thread, except to say that any Spurs fans who think beating Dallas is some sort of foregone conclusion is absolutely delusional.
What did catch my attention is this:
I think that's probably true in the minds of Mavericks fans. I don't think it's true about basketball people in general. Even now, when the Mavericks are on television and there is a discussion about Avery Johnson, there's always some point of that discussion that points back to Avery's roots in San Antonio. That will remain true for a very long time, and as long as it does, AJ will be seen as a Spur, as he should be.
^ Even though some Spur fans call him a traitor roach because he coaches the Mavs nowadays.
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