ing Chavez

[whottt]

I can't believe you ing idiots cheer this guy...

[whottt]

I bet you lefties really belive Chavez line of BS about building up his military to repel a US invasion too...

I know the morons that support him do.

He's doing it so he can militarily sqush dissent in his own and neighboring countries.

We wouldn't invade Venezuela to get Chavez, we'd assasinate him.


Chavez plans on being around for a long time...

And like every other leftist regime...

It'll wind up the ultimate indivualist self suckoff and exercise in megalomania...

He'll have pictures of himself plastered all over the country and any questioning of his judgement and authority will result in imprisonment or death...

Good bye Free Press and other subversive influences, soon will come the locking of his own people within...because they don't know what's good for them, and he does...what's good for them is to be one of the many...........under him and him alone. And they are a selfish pig if they don't agree with that.

He'll get outraged that anyone could question him after all the good he did for his country...he built a few ing schools, and everyone knows, you can't do that unless you have a socialist govt and nationalize all the industry.

Like leftist Saddam
Like leftist Kim Jong Il
Like leftist Castro
Like leftist Mao and Stalin.


America has no love of dicators, but if given the choice between two of them, of course we are going to support the one with the less hostile ideology and who at least attempt to pay lipservice to Democracy and freedom....

America's job is to act in it's own benefit first...not that of the out of power party in every inherently ed polarized political landscape in the world.

[BIG IRISH]

SO what are old Chavez' plans for after he leaves office...I'd be interested in seeing this...

I understand he has bought a lot of land in Paraguay, next door to the land GWB recently bought.

[smeagol]

First of all, P&G you are dishonest. One of every two posts of yours says I support Videla when what I said was that he had to fight against the communists, and that is what I supported (and 75% of my countrymen supported that too, even though now a days it's cool to say you were always against the Junta and the 1976 coup).

The situation in Argentina in the early 1970 was chaotic, with the extreme leftist terrorists, financed by Castro and the Soviets, trying to take over power through violent means. The innoperant Peronist elected government was unable to stop the violence, until the entire spectrum of political parties and the majority of the population begged the military to take over.

The military faught a war against these bands of assassins using the same tactics the guerrillas used. They kidnaped, tortured and killed the Montoneros but unfortunately, they also killed innocent people.

Do I apporve of the killing of innocent people? Of course not! But I do approve of killing the terrorists who were trying to kill me and change the country's way of life.

I am Latino, but no I'm not Argentinean.

You are Latino? What the does that mean? Where were you born/what country are you citizen of? That is the question you should answer. Are you American? Mexican? From El Salvador? Venezuelan? Cuban?

But I sure do know a lot about the history of Argentina though.

Enlighten me. I bet you I know more.

All you have proven up until now is that you know the name Videla and that you seem to side with Montoneros.

I know many people that have had many of their relatives just disappear into the night. And yet this asshole still supports them.

And I know a lot of people who had there loved ones killed by Montoneros, the band of thieves you support. You see asshole, it goes both ways. The Montoners murdered my neighbor in front of their familiy in 1972, because he was a politician. So go yourself with you accusations of me supporting Videla when you seem to be supporting the terrorists (although you are such a yellow coward you still have not spelled where with whom your alligiences are).

Talk about the understatement of the millennium. Went overboard? Tell that to the Madres De Plaza De Mayo. It's a lot more than overboard asshole.

They were fighting a "dirty" war and used the same tactics their opponent used (which was wrong because they represented the State, their opponents represented chaos). Madres de Plaza de Mayo has become a meaningless political force, not what they used to stand for. Now they spend their time inviting Chavez to rally the left against Bush.

Point blank anybody that supports what Pinochet and Videla did is a ing s bag piece of and deserves the same fate of what happened to those people.

Point blank, anybody that supports the people that Pinochet and Videla were fighting against, and is comfortably sitting in a room in SoCal, drinking a beer and watching the latest Laker loss, is a ing hypocrite piece of with no guts whatsoever. Get your yellow ass to Cuba or Venezuela, if you love communism so much. But don't come and tell me who or what I should support when it comes to my country, when you know only one side of the story: the red side.

[whottt]

PWNT!

Smeagol for Argie Pres(but only since Manu's busy).

[Phenomanul]

It's a process. This is not instantaneous. The Misiones Bolivarianas are reforms that have been put in place by Chavez. They are reforms in education, health care, housing, helping the kids on the street, etc. There's so many of them and they are for the betterment of the country as a whole. So please don't act like Chavez just gives money away and doesn't teach people to 'fish for themselves'. That's just wrong and not true. Social services are not handouts.

It's only a facade he puts up to remain in POWER.... cause again, that's all he cares about.

[whottt]

I dsiagree Phenomanul...


Chavez cares for the poor, he doesn't want them to be lonely, so he's going to make sure everyone in Venezuela is poor. Indoctrinated...er I mean educated, but poor.



And then he's going to reward himself for solving Venzuela's problems by controlling all the wealth and appointing himself leader for life.

[smeagol]

smeagol your a typical South American/European elitist asshole that supported the genocide of the indigenous people of his own country.

Ha Ha Ha! You claim to know Argentine history? Go read the part about indiginous people again. You might be confused with Peru or Mexico, where there were real genocides.

Your the worst type of s

.

It's you're dumb .

The fact that you support what Videla and Pinochet did shows who you really are.

There you go again, lying bas . You try to make it sound as if I support the killing of innocent people while what I said is that I supported the war against communist groups. But hey, this is what the leftists are good at. Lying. Because when it comes to excercising power by for example, ruling a country, you ing suck balls.

I know my history, you might be able to try and twist it for those that don't know, but that won't work with me.

You've proven to know .

I don't agree with everything Chavez stands for, but there are many things he has done that are great for his people.

If I have money and I give it away, I too can make people happy. That is not what governing is about.

At least he's trying and not oppressing the poor people for only the betterment of the few elite. Something that I know you support.

You know of what I support. I don't support Chavez, that is for sure. And I don't support the Montoneros, FAR, Tupac Amaru, Sendero Luminoso, Sandinistas and other 70s terrorists bands. You seem to be ok with them and against the people who fought against them.

He is educating the people, you talk , only because he is redistributing the wealth.

Redistributing the wealth? What a stupid leftist talking point. What about empowering and enriching the poor? What about social mobility through stable economic conditions? Dude, I want LatAm to be like the US, Autralia, Europe, Japan, NZ . . . not like Cuba, NK, Nigeria, Iran. I want LatAm to follow Chile . . . not ing Chavez "El Bolivariano".

You know nothing about me and have no idea who I support.

I have a good idea. But enlighten us, dip .

But yet you bring up Stalin and Mao. Laughable. Only an ignorant elitist asshole thinks in extremes.

Until you tell me what you stand for, I will continue to believe you pray at Lenin, Stalin and Mao's altar (and their successors, Castro, Il and ing Chavez).

you. I'm glad people like you and your line of thinking are losing their grip on Latin America.

My line of thinking never ever had a grip on LatAm, moron. LatAm would be a different place if the stuff I believe would be put into place.

Actually, let me rephrase. My line of thinking was alive and kicking in Argentina between 1880 and 1920. Argentina was a top 10 economy then. Our GDP was larger than Spain and Italy's combined. In other words, a rich country full of prospects and a bright future.

You know what happened? Socialism happened. Peron happened. The people who think like you happened. And now Argentina is a hole. Thanks buddy, to you and "your line of thinking". Thanks for ing my country with populist, totalitarian, "big governemnt" type of economic policies which have drown and nearly killed private enterprise and entrepreneurship in Argentina.

Thanks for years of currupt governemtns which have bred corrupt businessmen, corrupt unions, corrupt lawyers, corrupt policemen.

Thanks for believing the state should level the playing field down to its lowest common denominator and the free spirit of its population.

Great job, faker fan.

[Purple & Gold]

So let me spell this out for smeagol one last time. This is where it started.

Chavez is nowhere near a dictator or a totalitarian compared to Videla and Pinochet.

Chavez is much worse than Pinochet. Pinochet at least paved the road for Chile to become what it is. And Videla had to fight against communist terrorism.

So what is it smeagol: You either...

1. Are lying about what Chavez has done.

or

2. Are trivializing what has happened in the past in Argentina and Chile.

So which is it smeagol? Unless you just mispoke and don't really think he is worse then them. Or is it OK that they did it because they weren't socialists.

[Purple & Gold]

Ha Ha Ha! You claim to know Argentine history? Go read the part about indiginous people again. You might be confused with Peru or Mexico, where there were real genocides.

Are you trying to rewrite history now? It has happened in many countries not just Argentina. But don't try to act like it didn't happen in Argentina.

There you go again, lying bas . You try to make it sound as if I support the killing of innocent people while what I said is that I supported the war against communist groups. But hey, this is what the leftists are good at. Lying. Because when it comes to excercising power by for example, ruling a country, you ing suck balls.

See my other post above.

If I have money and I give it away, I too can make people happy. That is not what governing is about.

Continue to ignore what Chavez has done. See my other post regarding the Misiones Bolivarianas. And feel free to do your own research.

You know of what I support. I don't support Chavez, that is for sure. And I don't support the Montoneros, FAR, Tupac Amaru, Sendero Luminoso, Sandinistas and other 70s terrorists bands. You seem to be ok with them and against the people who fought against them.

Keep assuming... It's the only thing you and your friend whottt are good at.

Redistributing the wealth? What a stupid leftist talking point. What about empowering and enriching the poor? What about social mobility through stable economic conditions? Dude, I want LatAm to be like the US, Autralia, Europe, Japan, NZ . . . not like Cuba, NK, Nigeria, Iran. I want LatAm to follow Chile . . . not ing Chavez "El Bolivariano".

Oh yeah I forgot how fair it is in Latin America, and how easy it is to succeed. I mean everybody has a level playing field. And Chile is not all that they also have a lot of problems. Maybe you should aim a little higher.

Until you tell me what you stand for, I will continue to believe you pray at Lenin, Stalin and Mao's altar (and their successors, Castro, Il and ing Chavez).

And you would be wrong.

My line of thinking never ever had a grip on LatAm, moron. LatAm would be a different place if the stuff I believe would be put into place.

Actually, let me rephrase. My line of thinking was alive and kicking in Argentina between 1880 and 1920. Argentina was a top 10 economy then. Our GDP was larger than Spain and Italy's combined. In other words, a rich country full of prospects and a bright future.

You know what happened? Socialism happened. Peron happened. The people who think like you happened. And now Argentina is a hole. Thanks buddy, to you and "your line of thinking". Thanks for ing my country with populist, totalitarian, "big governemnt" type of economic policies which have drown and nearly killed private enterprise and entrepreneurship in Argentina.

Thanks for years of currupt governemtns which have bred corrupt businessmen, corrupt unions, corrupt lawyers, corrupt policemen.

Thanks for believing the state should level the playing field down to its lowest common denominator and the free spirit of its population.

Great job, faker fan.

Are you done yet? Did you get that out of your system? Argentina is where it's at now because of what you and people who think like you allowed to happen. You turned a blind eye while crimes against humanity were happening. Instead of denying and romanticizing what has happened in the past why don't you look in the mirror and take a good look at yourself. You are the reason why Argentina is in the state it's in.

[Purple & Gold]

It's only a facade he puts up to remain in POWER.... cause again, that's all he cares about.

Wow you're pretty good at seeing through peoples actions and knowing their true intent. Maybe you should get a job at the circus or a carnival, I'm sure you could make a lot of money with your skill.

[Purple & Gold]

Well I can read your views and other than the wrench you threw on Iraq support...

You just simply hate the rich...and you seek not to become rich yourself, but to prevent others from doing so.

You are definitely a socialist of the purest kind...hold the fastest horse back, rather than try to catch him by becoming faster.

One way moves backwards...and the other way is always trying to improve.

Are you done assuming things? Why don't you respond to what I post and not what you think I believe. You wouldn't look so stupid if you did that.

[Purple & Gold]

Even the name of the SportsTeam you root for brands you as a hypocrite...

The Richest, the biggest....


You should be a Magic fan...but no, you have absolutely no problem with LA financially strongarming Orlando to get Shaq, do you?

Now here's the true meaning of irony. The Lakers are in the NBA, which has a salary cap. A true socialist form of economics. But yet you support the Spurs and in turn the NBA. So now who's the hypocrite.

[smeagol]

Are you done yet? Did you get that out of your system? Argentina is where it's at now because of what you and people who think like you allowed to happen. You turned a blind eye while crimes against humanity were happening. Instead of denying and romanticizing what has happened in the past why don't you look in the mirror and take a good look at yourself. You are the reason why Argentina is in the state it's in.

Argentina is where it's at because of socialist/totalitarian regimes that had nothing to do with what I stand for.

I did not turn a blind eye while crimes where happening. I was very vocal when Montoneros where kidnaping and killing innocent people. Where were you?

[smeagol]

Wow you're pretty good at seeing through peoples actions and knowing their true intent. Maybe you should get a job at the circus or a carnival, I'm sure you could make a lot of money with your skill.

Talk about adding value to the discussion

[smeagol]

By the way, Chile is by far the most successfull LatAm country. Before aiming to be Australia, I would like my country to aim for something closer to home. Chile.

And yes, Pinochet helped turn Chile into what it is. Weather your communist heart likes it or not.

By the way, do you know how many people Castro and his regime have murdered? Do you know how many are rotting in Cuban cels simply for disenting with that sack of and his communis regime? And your boy Chavez admires the bearded dictator.

You, Chavez and Castro want to make me puke.

you and while you are at it, get the out of America and go to live your socialist dream to Venezuela, coward.

[smeagol]

Your a ing idiot whottt. Everybody on this board owns you. Your such a hypocrite it's sad. I've met your type before, I know you have never and will never do anything positive and amount to anything. Please do us all a favor and lock yourself in a cave till you come out enlightened.

[smeagol]

I supported going to war for breaking a treaty. I support using the U.N. (which was entirely on our side) to pressure all dictators out of office.

So you support the UN pressuring Castro out of office too?

No? . . . I didn't think so.

[smeagol]

So you think it's OK to support leaders like Videla and Pinochet? Cause that's exactly what happened.

it doesn't get any more extreme than those two.

Stupid, stupid, stupid Laker fan.

I said I supported Videla fighting the communists. I said Pinochet paved the way for Chile's development. Those are facts. Historical facts. You might want to deny them, but this is because you are stupid and ignorant and know about Argentina and Chile.

You are the one who started twisting the truth about my posts since you stepped into this thread.

[smeagol]

smeagol is a ing asshole, look at who he supported..

Again, no arguments so you turn to lies. A true socialist at it's best.

You bring nothing.

Funny you mention that 'cause you bring little yourself.

[smeagol]

So let me spell this out for smeagol one last time. This is where it started.


So what is it smeagol: You either...

1. Are lying about what Chavez has done.

or

2. Are trivializing what has happened in the past in Argentina and Chile.

So which is it smeagol? Unless you just mispoke and don't really think he is worse then them. Or is it OK that they did it because they weren't socialists.

I'm not trivializing anything, SoCal moron.

Argentina in the 70s was at war with a band of 25,000 montoneros who were trying to overthrough the Argentine governemnt through violence and trying to turn my country into a second Cuba. Can you get that through your thick, re ed brain?

The entire spectrum of political forces begged, and I mean ing begged the military to take over a situation which was out of control. The military committed excesses, the same way the US Army commits excesses in Iraq. It was a ing war!

I'll tell you one thing which is another historical fact about my country, which you obviously don't know. If the Montoneros/FAR/FAP and other communist lunatics would not have armed themselves and attacked the ins utions of my country, the military would've never siezed power, no coup, no 3-24-1976, no missing, no tortures . . . none of that . But the communists of the 70s were not content with Cuba. Che Guevara ( ing assasin may he rot in ) wanted to export the communist utopia to other LatAm countries. So thank the 30,000 missing (which are nowhere near 30,000) to Castro and Che Guevara. Instead of blaming Videla, blame the people who started the war, the kidnappings, the human rights violations. Blame Firmenich, Vaca Narvaja, Santucho, Perdia, Walsh. Blame those mother ers who killed or caused the death of thousands.

[smeagol]

PWNT!

Smeagol for Argie Pres(but only since Manu's busy).

Dude, I told you that when I discuss American politics, I may look and sound like a liberal. But in my country, I'm as far from the left as I can be.

[ponky]

You see why I support W now?

You see?

Because the alternative was her ing candidate, who thinks just like her...

Notice how she said "turning left" like...she wasn't alive in the 20th century or something, or doesn't seem to be aware of Brazil's 20th century existence...seems to think Cuba is a wonderful place to live(probably blames America for Cuba's problems like the rest of the bag lefties).

Still want to tell me my political views are ed up?


These ers scare the out of me...

Why not move to Cuba? I just don't get it. Cuba will let her come...it's the leaving that's the tricky part.

She cheers a government mindset of denying individual freedoms...throwing a blanket of ignorance over the heads of it's citizenry.

I mean if she hates being able to use her PC to give her opinion so much...why does she do it? Why not just throw her PC away?

I'm telling you, these ers are stupid.


I consider them the enemy because they want to steal my right to freedom...nbadan, boutons, these are scary ing people.

because my native land is here and has been since before you guys arrived...anyway, giuliani got chavez-pwned, ing hilarious

[ponky]

whott why do you even talk ? anyone with a chili bowl haircut should just stfu when it comes to telling other people they're stupid (i've seen those GT pics)

[Purple & Gold]

So you support the UN pressuring Castro out of office too?

No? . . . I didn't think so.

Actually yes I would. There are many things that he has done that I don't support.