Respect...

[z0sa]

Harris isnt that good defensively, he just draws charges.

[Don Quixote]

So much for respect ...

[mardigan]

Harris is a pretty damn good defender, he gave Tony fits last year in the playoffs, he will be a damn good point eventually. I will say though that there are a lot of Mav fans here that think he is a lot better than he is right now, especially for a point that averages 2 turnovers a game to 3 and half assists per game

[LEONARD]

I say Detroit, Miami, or SA as the NBA Champs this year. It's all about defense, not jump shooting.

If the Mavs aren't a good defensive team, who is??

[mardigan]

sigh.......I am running out of things to say about ol SD

[himat]

This is enjoyable.



So you admit you don't watch enough Mavs basketball to know how good of a defender Harris is...



....yet you can easily name a bunch of PG's better than Harris. Just one post after admitting you don't watch the Mavericks enough to know how good of a defender Harris is, you're creating a big ass list of better defenders. Talk out your ass much?

I have not seen enough Mavs games to see if Harris plays a little cheap on D. I have seen enough NBA games to say that most of the guys I listed have a bigger impact on defense than Harris does. Sam Cassel is old so isn't better anymore, every other guy on that list is better though.

[RonMexico]

Seriously, Harris does play cheap D.

But he has to take what they give him... the league never used to have a 3-seconds in the lane rule until Wilt came along...

[Flight3107]

"Cheap D" ?

[Leetonidas]

Harris is a good defensive point guard, but that's not saying much, and he is not the best defensive PG in the West. That would be either Baron Davis or Earl Watson. You Mavfans need to get off the Homerade.

[RonMexico]

"Cheap D" ?

Cutting somebody off (blocking foul, btw) and then flopping like you've just been hit with an elbow by Kobe... that's what "cheap D" is. That's about the extent of his defense: get muscled around by everyone and then resort to wimpy-ass tactics.

[Flight3107]

Cutting somebody off (blocking foul, btw) and then flopping like you've just been hit with an elbow by Kobe... that's what "cheap D" is. That's about the extent of his defense: get muscled around by everyone and then resort to wimpy-ass tactics.

So playing "Phoenix Suns Defense" = Chep D?

[Lp26]

Harris is a good defensive point guard, but that's not saying much, and he is not the best defensive PG in the West. That would be either Baron Davis or Earl Watson. You Mavfans need to get off the Homerade.

Thank you! That's who's name i've been trying to think of.

[Flight3107]

Ok I just looked at Watson and Harris stats

and they were almost identical, except that Harris is in the top 4 in TO's by taking a charge, Watson is not even listed in the top 30.



But if that helps you sleep at night...

[Lp26]

Yes, Devin Harris flops more than Earl Watson who's not even a top 4 flopper. That definately makes him a worse defender. B/C anybody who know anything about defense knows that how many times you fall down is crucial to how good of a defender you are.

[Flight3107]

Yes, Devin Harris flops more than Earl Watson who's not even a top 4 flopper. That definately makes him a worse defender. B/C anybody who know anything about defense knows that how many times you fall down is crucial to how good of a defender you are.

I guess you did not read the part that said there defense stats are identical.


But Watson must be a better defender ignoring the fact they having identical defensive stats because you say so.

[RonMexico]

Please provide these stats and prove they are identical

[leemajors]

baron davis plays defense?

[monosylab1k]

baron davis plays defense?

of course he does, cuz he's coached by the king of defensive strategy, Don Nelson.

[stretch]

Yes, Devin Harris flops more than Earl Watson who's not even a top 4 flopper. That definately makes him a worse defender. B/C anybody who know anything about defense knows that how many times you fall down is crucial to how good of a defender you are.

Harris flops, but he also takes a large number of legit charges as well.

and being a detroit fan, you of all people should know that people that flop, are typically the best defenders. not because they know how to flop, but because they understand what they can, and cant get away with defensively. remember Rodman? Laimbeer? please stop whining and shut the up.

[stretch]

Please provide these stats and prove they are identical

Harris - http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3822

Watson - http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3549

A 0.1 difference in rebonding and steals, but Watson also plays 2 more minutes a game. They are basically identical. But I will take Harris. He is much better at drawing charges, and is a bigger, more versatile defender.

[LEONARD]

Cutting somebody off (blocking foul, btw) and then flopping like you've just been hit with an elbow by Kobe... that's what "cheap D" is. That's about the extent of his defense: get muscled around by everyone and then resort to wimpy-ass tactics.

Harris is quick enough to stay in front of just about anybody...he's not "cutting people off" normally...

[TonyParkerSux]

Harris is a good defensive point guard, but that's not saying much, and he is not the best defensive PG in the West. That would be either Baron Davis or Earl Watson. You Mavfans need to get off the Homerade.

Earl Watson or Baron Davis?? Davis is terrible on D. Watson is a solid defender, but Harris is better.

[jmard5]

Harris is effective on most guards as he is quick to anticipate where the guards will go. He will cut the lane, and at the least amount of contact will flop. Seen that many times.

Harris will also drive into the lane, barrel into his defender (who is in good defensive position), makes contact and will somehow attempt to try to hoist a shot while he goes down. Whistle. Foul on the defender. He initiates contact and refs are suckered to call a foul.

[TonyParkerSux]

All of which equate to Harris being the best defensive 1 in the West. I can't think of anyone who is even close other than Watson. It's certainly not Smush Parker...

[jmard5]

All of which equate to Harris being the best defensive 1 in the West. I can't think of anyone who is even close other than Watson. It's certainly not Smush Parker...

I am not convinced.