Kobe's feat isnt if you ask me, and here is why...

[Medvedenko]

Just look at Dirk...a 7 footer who can't board more than 10 per game, as well as block 1 shot and is barely shooting 50% this year, let alone shooting 47% for his career. His team is great...well coached and put together, no doubt he's the centre piece...but you place any other forward allstar in that position and they do very well.

[mavsfan1000]

Watch mav games and you will see. Dirk spreads the court out for Josh Howard to get many easy shots that he normally would see a double team without Dirk. Terry would likely never see an open shot as Dallas would lack a go to player without Dirk. It goes on and on. Dirk gets used as a decoy a lot as other teams will focus a lot on him. Also the argument that Dirk doesn't play defense anymore doesn't work as the mavs are the 3rd best defensive team. To me Terry is Dallas's weakest defender while Dirk has been much improved defensively. Too bad he didn't put this much effort on the defensive end when Nash was here.

[Purple & Gold]

Kobe is no doubt the better scorer but Dirk is the better all around player.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

kobe has been on all nba defensive team on several occasions


mavsfan, the hole you keep digging yourself into gets deeper and deeper

[mardigan]

Watch mav games and you will see. Dirk spreads the court out for Josh Howard to get many easy shots that he normally would see a double team without Dirk. Terry would likely never see an open shot as Dallas would lack a go to player without Dirk. It goes on and on. Dirk gets used as a decoy a lot as other teams will focus a lot on him. Also the argument that Dirk doesn't play defense anymore doesn't work as the mavs are the 3rd best defensive team. To me Terry is Dallas's weakest defender while Dirk has been much improved defensively. Too bad he didn't put this much effort on the defensive end when Nash was here.

Damn, well if that isnt the pot calling the kettle black. Pray tell, how many Lakers games have you watched this year?

[E20]

This thread should be closed.

[mavsfan1000]

Damn, well if that isnt the pot calling the kettle black. Pray tell, how many Lakers games have you watched this year?

Oh yeah the mighty lakers. They must be feared to win a championship. Oh wait they suck. lol

[Medvedenko]

I agree...the thread is useless without a fair arguement....
Mavsfan1000, I appluad you for sensless and complete homer-erotic claims that you weild at a moments notice. I've been battling you for over a week now regarding Kobe. I'm probaby done....another 50 point game tomorrow maybe....
Well, I'll let the other fans of the NBA take over....

[mardigan]

Oh yeah the might lakers. They must be feared to win a championship. Oh wait they suck. lol

So that means none. So that means you havent watched Kobe or his "great teamate according to you Turiaf play. SO that means that you officially dont know what you are talking about. And one more question, all around means defense to right? So how could a 7 footer who doesnt average 10 rebounds, a block, or a steal a game be better than a first team defender on defense?

[FromWayDowntown]

Oh yeah the mighty lakers. They must be feared to win a championship. Oh wait they suck. lol

But give Kobe teammates like Josh Howard or Jason Terry, and I doubt that he's having to shoot the ball 35-40 times a night for his team to have a chance to win. I doubt that his team wouldn't be in contention.

Your argument, at this point, seems to be that Dirk is a better player because Dirk has better teammates.

[mardigan]

But give Kobe teammates like Josh Howard or Jason Terry, and I doubt that he's having to shoot the ball 35-40 times a night for his team to have a chance to win. I doubt that his team wouldn't be in contention.

Your argument, at this point, seems to be that Dirk is a better player because Dirk has better teammates.

Served

[mardigan]

You still trying to think of something?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

You still trying to think of something?

You mean there's more?

[leemajors]

[lebomb]

I agree with Lebomb. Basketball is meant to be a team game. Something Kobe can't seem to do. He has to resort to hogging to get wins. Dirk Nowitzki is the opposite of Kobe as he lets his teammates get their confidence up and if they need him to come up big late in games he'll be there. He's not a ball stopper though.

Thanks........someone gets it.

[resistanze]

^^^^

A whole thread of dozens of people tearing your arguments into pieces and you come back when Mavsfan agrees with you, someone who ALSO can't defend his stance.

[Medvedenko]

I agree basketball is a team game....people are passing, setting screens, running the offense, rebounding and communicating...the result 4 wins. Oh, and mavsfan1000 and lebomb are buddies....nuff said.

[mardigan]

Thanks........someone gets it.

Yea, glad you and the get it

[mavsfan1000]

I just looked at Kobe's games. He had 7 games in a row without shooting over 50%. No surprise they lost all 7 games. Stop defending this ball hog and all will be good.

[BUMP]

how could a 7 footer who doesnt average 10 rebounds, a block, or a steal a game be better than a first team defender on defense?

the "intangibles" he brings to the game. plus he's 7 foot so the opponent has a harder time seeing the basket. sometimes the impact Dirk has doesnt always show up in the box scores

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

And Dirk just had a 4 game stretch where he shot 41% from the floor.

I must not get this point either.

[leemajors]

I just looked at Kobe's games. He had 7 games in a row without shooting over 50%. No surprise they lost all 7 games. Stop defending this ball hog and all will be good.

that's incredibly relevant to kobe's streak of 50+ point games.

[mavsfan1000]

that's incredibly relevant to kobe's streak of 50+ point games.

It just goes to show you how inconsistent Kobe is. Wow do Kobe fans like to stretch for reasons why Kobe is the best. I'm not convinced.

[mardigan]

Bump, Im not trying to say that Dirk isnt incredibly important to the Mavs record, he is the main reason for it. What I am saying is that Kobe defends the opponents best player most games, while putting up incredible numbers. I know Dirk is one of the best players in the league, Im just trying to figure out how some people on here think that his streak is unimpressive. And, no, I dont think Dirk, Tim, or Lebron are as good as Kobe. If you took Kobe off the Lakers they would be one of the worst teams in the NBA, if you took Dirk off the Mavs, they would probably still be in the playoffs

[Purple & Gold]

Wow do Kobe fans like to stretch for reasons why Kobe is the best. I'm not convinced.

I was about to say the same think for Dirk fans.