Why not give it a shot? When you're in a hole, stop digging.
I don't think the insurgency has a "mission accomplished" banner to celebrate with. They'll just continue to use their sticks and stones to stalemate a so called superpower. All the weapons in the world will not replace competent planning. It's not a military failure the congress is claiming, it's a leadership failure that deserves the boot.
The problem with this occupation is that we never sent in enough troops to actually secure the country, and never will. xray is so quick to bring up WWII -- well we sent 350,000 troops to occupy a Japan that had already surrendered to us unconditionally. The Bush administration never had any coherent plan for the occupation and failed miserably at implementing any half-assed plan they actually came up with. It's been an inarguable disgrace.
What is the most ironic aspect about this Iraq mess is that the people who are complaing about the involvement of Congress have been wrong about everything since day one. Wrong, wrong,wrong.. yet they are the one's who are calling it a surrendar plan, pulling out defeat from the jaws of victory, we have turned the corner, we are making progress..etc.. we have heard all of this before. yet now we are supposed toi just shut up and let the folks who have been wrong continue to dig a larger whole..
You and your ilk have been wrong about everything up until this point so pardon us for IGNORING you and the war s..
What have I been wrong about?
Who is "my ilk"?
Most of the DEMOCRATIC presidential candidates were for the invasion when it happened, and were still in support during the last presidential election cycle.
Are we wrong when we point out that the insurgents are emboldened by anti-war activity in this country? Are we wrong when we point out that leaving at a specific time in the future GUARANTEES the insurgency a victory? If attacks against the coalition forces are indeed lessening with the surge, does that mean anything, or should it be ignored?
If YOUR ILK are so damned right about this why don't you call for, demand and support an IMMEDIATE de-funding of the war? THAT is what the cons ution says ought to be done on the matter!!!
The Democrats control Congress RIGHT NOW, and are saying in not so many words that the boys in Iraqs' lives are being wasted, yet they are willing to let them continue to waste for a year.
Don't try to take some kind of high-ground when that is the stance, apparently, YOU support. We are losing this war, and are going to continue to lose this war for another year, until we quit....but it's only BUSH's fault that boys lives are being wasted. Hypocritical political pansy-assed bas s.
"yet they are willing to let them continue to waste for a year"
No, they give time to meet milestones, and if not met, time for a reasonable withdrawal. Nothing abrupt and calamitous.
US military lives, bodies, and minds WASTED are 100% the responsibility of kead, his ignorant stooge dubya, and NPAC/AEI/neo- s who wanted this war for oil. From now on, any losses are still due the tremendous REpug-initiated momentum of a ground war with 150K+ plus troops, NOT due to anything the Dems do.
Iraq is lost. Congress is saying one last chance, one last set of milestones, then there will be period of withdrawal to minimize the invevitable risk and damage.
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What have you been right about?What have I been wrong about?
If we're going to stay, we should go the McCain route and not around with this surge s game that simply moves the problem away from TV cameras for awhile. I have a certain amount of faith in Petraeus but I think it ridiculous that it took four years to apply his approach to counterinsurgency on a large scale and fear that it might be too little too late. Bush didn't fully understand the consequences of invading Iraq, and handled the occupation horribly. Even if you want to cling to the belief that regime change in 2003 was the right thing to do, you have to admit that the aftermath has been a disaster so far.
No boutons, the lives "wasted" as you put it is rest entirely upon
the shoulders of people like you: liberals and dimm-o-craps.
Nothing more or less. You think you have all the answers ever
since VN. You didn't learn then and you wont learn now.
You are the people of "defeat" of our country and our people.
Yeah I said it, "our people". The American people. Americans
have nothing to be ashamed of, although, you would never
know it to listen to people like you. We built the greatest
country in the world, with more for everyone, but to listen to
you and others like you, you would think we have done nothing
but exploit the world. Which is the biggest lie every told. We
have done nothing but give our blood and resources to
help others.
You damn people are sickening. Absolute and without any
doubt: sickening. You have no common sense or reason about
your thinking process. You are the absolute cesspool of the
earth and if your way of thinking is ever allowed to really
take hold all people will live in absolute poverty and the rule
of law will be in absolute shambles.
My God, does anyone, anyone of your kind ever look at what
the Socialist have brought to countries where it has been tried?
No I thought not!
You blather and blather and say nothing. Occupation,
you don't even understand the word.
You don't even understand they had an election,
drafted a cons ution. If we occupied them like we
have other countries, my God, things would have been
completely different. But who are you to know. You
know nothing, absolutely nothing. Just spit out the
same old dimm-o-crap propaganda.
Good God Ray, you're such a dinosaur. Listen.....my kids class will be taking a field trip to the tarpits. Is there any chance we'll see you IN an exhibit?
That's exactly what i said. Thanks for agreeing with me.If the occupation has been such a ing success, why can't we leave now?But who are you to know. You
know nothing, absolutely nothing. Just spit out the
same old dimm-o-crap propaganda.
You kids would do well to talk to me. At least I have
the knowledge to tell them what the world is about. Not what you
think it should be.
Like folks of your age say: Been there, done that. And I have.
Chump, and you truely are one. We have not occupied Iraq.
We have not even came close to occupation. Do you really
understand occupation? Read what I posted.
You refereed a multiparty civil war in the middle east?Been there, done that. And I have.
hahahaha
The fact you can't bring yourself to call it an occupation says it all.
What do you call the last four years of 100,000+ troops in Iraq, x?
Loitering?
Iran to release Britons.
Thank God we launched that full scale invasion....
Chump, did you already forget? Your brother Dan said the invasion won't start until Friday.
But ray wanted to bomb them into submission? There's still hope that cowboy diplomacy isn't dead yet ray..!! Keep the faith
Certain flavors of kool-aid don't mix....
Thank god Blair finally ratcheted up the tough talk so that Iran sensed that somebody might actually DO something about this illegal act.
That's not what happened. Does anybody actually read the news?
Iran captured the 15 sailors in retaliation for the U.S.'s detaining 5 officials at the Iranian consulate in Kirkuk.
The 5 Iranians were released; therefore, Iran released the 15 Britons.
So much for the "tough talk."
All you had to do was read my post a week ago.http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...16&postcount=2
Good call, who do you like for the Masters this weekend?
I got nothing.
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