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    You know better than that.
    You really consider that clip a big deal??

    I'd never post a true spoiler without a clear warning. That was barely more than last week's preview....

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    Joe's blog for this week...

    Week 8: Fighting inside and outside the Octagon
    By Joe Lauzon
    Friday, May 25, 2007 - Updated: 05:12 AM EST

    Brockton native Joe Lauzon, a UFC lightweight fighter and member of the cast of TUF 5, will give exclusive insight to bostonherald.com readers following each week’s episode. Here is his commentary on Episode 8.

    This week on the Ultimate Fighter we have two fights. One is the first quarterfinal of the tournament, while the other is between two guys who have just lost, and are frustrated being in the house.

    Fight picks were a little different this time around. Rather than teams winning and getting momentum, all the matchups were determined at once in the beginning. Dana, Jens and BJ had a meeting and decided on the best fights. That much you saw. Here’s what you didn’t see: Each fighter that won their first fight had a very brief sitdown with Dana and the coaches on who they wanted to fight.

    Going into the second round, I wanted to fight Brandon or Manny. I thought both fights were good pairings for me. Brandon is a striker without a lot on the ground, while Manny is good on the ground, but I thought I could get the takedown and put him on the fence. I wanted to avoid Corey because he is so tall and can make anyone look bad. I would rather not fight Diaz because he is a real bad matchup for me stylistically, being real tall and a southpaw with great boxing. He is also very good on the ground once I get it there. I think we all saw Nate as the top guy on Team Pulver, so I don’t think anyone really wanted to fight him, but I don’t think anyone was scared of him either.

    The first fight they announced was me and Cole.I was happy with this fight because I thought I’d be able to control the pace as Cole’s biggest weakness is his wrestling. I worked with Cole a little bit on evaluation day doing some grappling, and he felt as I had thought he would. He had long legs but wasn’t very strong. He had good hip movement, so submissions and sweeps were constantly coming, but I felt comfortable that I could stay out of those while beating him up on the ground and making it a fight and not a grappling match. Team Pulver knew that one of them would have to face their own and BJ had said that everyone on both sides were saying they wanted to fight Cole. I was happy to have the fight because a fight between Cole and I had been talked about since long before either of us even thought of getting on the show. A lot of people would get to see a fight that had been talked about in-depth.

    I thought Gray fighting Brandon was a great thing for us. Brandon was the biggest guy in the house but Gray would be able to take him down and keep him there. Brandon has better standup but it doesn’t matter when you have a three-time Division 1 All-American trying to get you down. I thought Brandon was a good matchup for any of our guys, because we were all good on the ground and would all hopefully be able to get the fight down and keep it there.

    I was happy to see Nate and Corey fighting because it meant we wouldn’t have to deal with either of them this round. One would knock the other out, and it was a win-win situation for us. Nate said he knew that none of us wanted to fight him or Corey, and he was right. In a tournament like this, you would rather have an easier fight so you can go into the next round rested and healthy. Matching up two of their best guys was great for us.

    Matt and Manny was almost set in stone before the coaches sat down with Dana. Manny was very clear that he didn’t like Wiman, and he told them that was the only fight he wanted. They just rubbed one another the wrong way and it was apparent in the house. Matt is kind of the type to tell you how you should do things, while Manny is the type to tell you to do everything how you want and forget about everyone else. I like both guys, but I can see how they could annoy each other a little bit. I thought this was another good fight for Team Penn because Matt has a lot of height and reach on Manny, and he has no problem standing. He could keep Manny away with punches and then stop the takedowns. He would have to stay clear of the clinch stuff so Manny didn’t throw him on his head, but it gave us a clear game plan, which is always good when entering a fight.

    We are at a point now where there are eight still focused on fighting while the seven other guys are just trying to deal with life in the house and having a good time. A lot of the guys were drinking and, as is often the case, guys get a little confrontational and bad things happen. In this instance, it was a brawl between Marlon and Noah. I am never one to give someone a hard time about losing a fight, because we all lose and it’s going to happen sooner or later. There is no point in kicking someone when they are down and it’s usually uncalled for. However, I usually don’t talk myself up and make all of these ridiculous claims either. Marlon made a lot of claims about how hard hitting he was and how he will knock people out, and talking about this and that ... and then he got dropped with the first punch of the fight while hanging his chin out, and was choked unconscious in no time. When you make big claims and fall drastically short you are going to hear about it on the back end. That’s basically what happened at the house sitting around the fire.

    Less than two days after being crushed by Matt, Marlon was already trying to build himself up and talk about how he and Weems (who had their fights stopped by the referee) were better than Noah and Allen (who tapped out). Marlon, for some reason, thinks it’s better to lose by TKO or being choked unconscious, than to tap out because you know you are caught. I have always had an internal debate on what’s better: tapping out or going to sleep in the middle of the cage to be woken up in front of everyone. Getting choked unconscious can be embarrassing, but I think it’s worth holding out and trying to get out with your last bit of effort because it could be the difference between getting out and possibly winning, or losing outright. However, Marlon is now trying to make his loss out to be better than Noah’s, who would have been in a serious world of hurt and rehab had he not tapped, and had serious damage done to his shoulder.

    It was a transparent ploy, and the guys weren’t hearing it. Marlon says he will never tap in a fight. His career in MMA will be short-lived because sooner or later he will be caught in something that will do serious damage and he will be badly hurt. Or he will be shown to be a liar like the rest of his stories, and tap. Either way, he looks like an idiot.

    As talking went on, Noah brought up how Marlon lasted 50 seconds and Marlon didn’t like it, and flipped the chair Noah was sitting in. Both guys started taking off clothes and microphones and were ready to throw down. I think everyone was so bored that this was just something new and exciting to do in the house, so no one really cared what happened. Allen was a huge instigator in the whole thing and was really pushing for them to fight. Saying things like, “Are you ready?” and “Let’s get it on!” really isn’t the best idea in that situation. It could cause someone to directly draw comparisons between the UFC and mindless brawling. The UFC has tried to separate itself from these stereotypes for years and, as the show and sport start getting mainstream attention, Marlon, Noah and Monstah do something stupid that could undo that.

    The actual fight has been called the “most technical street fight ever” by one Cole Miller. We had takedowns, ground and pound, submissions, slams, punching and kicking combinations, but it was still a stupid street fight. Noah got a decent-sized cut on the back of his head, but he was lucky that’s all that happened. After they fought, both guys were cool to one another, and Marlon even went to the point of signing Noah’s shirt, which was covered in fresh blood.

    I knew Noah and Marlon were going home. They had to set a precedent. The only rules we really had were:1) Don’t leave the house except to train, and 2) Don’t fight in the house. If people had left the house they would have gotten the boot, and the UFC can’t have people fighting in the house. Both guys were rightfully sent home. Going one step further, Dana sent Allen home too, which I didn’t expect, but I had to agree with after the fact. Allen had as much, if not more, to do with it than the guys that fought, because if he wasn’t so actively egging it on, both guys would have most likely gone their own ways and left each other alone.Anyway, you hate to see that, but now there were three less distractions in the house for the eight of us remaining.

    I was very excited for my fight with Cole. As I said, I had worked out with Cole in evaluations, and was actually friends with him before the show. We had talked prior and he told me about how he doesn’t come up with a unique strategy for any fight. He goes out there and tries to kill them with standup. As they try to take him down he tries to guillotine, and then if he ends up on his back he has a great guard and an even better triangle. I don’t think he has the best standup, but I wanted to take him down because I didn’t want to deal with his long arms and legs. I was going to be wary of the guillotine as I went in for the takedown. Once on the ground, I would be OK, but the guillotine was the biggest threat on my mind as I headed in. I worked a lot with Tony on posture and keeping my head safe, and working out of them.

    Everything we had done in fight preparation paid off. We worked on covering up as Cole closed the distance, we worked on takedowns and keeping my head safe, and we worked on a lot of ground and pound from the open guard. The fight started and Cole threw a kick right off the beginning. This was one of our “indicators” to shoot, because his base would be weaker with only one foot on the ground. Unfortunately for me, I shot in at a weird angle and gave Cole my back as the fight started. Immediately I am thinking, ‘Wow, that was dumb.’

    He had my back and was trying to work the choke, but I never felt in danger. I wasn’t being hit, and it wasn’t the first time someone had my back. I made progress when I got my back to the mat and Cole took mount. You never want to be mounted, unless it means getting someone off your back. I went for his leg the first time, and thought I had the lock, but he managed to work out and remained on top from the scramble. I went for his leg again and this time used it to get on top. Once on top, I was constantly dodging triangle chokes and armlocks, while landing good punches and elbows. I felt in control throughout the rest of the round, but had trouble passing his guard. Cole moves his hips very well and gave me some trouble, but I was happy to sit in his guard and land shots. At one point Cole and I were actually talking. He said something like, “This is so much fun,” and I threw a couple quick punches and said, “I could do this all day long.”

    In the second round, Cole tries to kick again, and, as it is an “indicator,”I went for the takedown. I spend a few minutes on top trying to pass. I eventually start to pass his guard and he turns up for a single leg. I stop him from getting up to base, and I am thinking about a story BJ was telling us. He was telling us about when he fought Caol Uno, he was in half guard and got hit with a really good elbow to the side of the head and it made him snap into it and realize he was really in a fight. For some reason, that was all I was thinking about, and I saw an opening and threw an elbow at Cole. When I threw this elbow, it hit Cole right in the back of the head and took the life out of him. He let out a whimper, and I knew he was hurt. I wasn’t trying to hit him in the back of the head, but it happened. I would never try to break the rules -- you can actually hear me get warned about hitting Cole in the back of the head with a punch and I adjust and throw another punch and ask, ‘Is that okay?’ and the ref tells me it’s OK. It sucks that it happened, but it did, and I was penalized a point.

    Cole was given time to recover, but it gave me time to rest too. I knew his head would be bothering him and he wouldn’t be feeling well, so when we restarted I went after him with everything. The five-minute break was actually a help to me, too, because I got a second wind and was able to go after him harder. I ran across the ring chasing him down, throwing punches and took him down again. Once down this time, Cole was weak and was hardly fighting back. He was hanging on and trying to tough it out, but there was very little he could do. I looked up at the ref once or twice to end it, but he let it go a little longer before calling an end to the fight.

    It really sucks winning a fight when it’s not clean, but not as much as it sucks to lose when it’s not clean. I have been on the losing end of a few fights like that, and all you think about is, “Well, if that didn’t happen, could I have won?” It will haunt you for a long time, and I am sorry it happened to Cole. Things happen sometimes that are out of your control, and this was one of those cases. I talk with Cole all the time and he is cool with it, but I’m sure it bothers him a little bit. That’s how it goes sometimes though.

    Thanks for reading.

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    Joe is a great guy. He is already a great fighter and is so young. Could you imagine him and Roger Huerta fighting in a couple of years?

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    Im loving the second round matchups. that brawl was . both guys are idiots. noah could have avoided it if he walked away AND if he didnt throw that cheap shot kick. If they want to fight, set something up with the coaches. both threw some cheap shots. im glad monster got thrown out to. Finally, the idiots are out. Literally! Too bad the fight had to change with that elbow. Id like to see Cole Miller somehow get a shot to get back in.

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    Marlon Sims is ing trash. He is completely delusional and started that whole mess.

    Lauzon dominated that fight. I think without the illegal elbow, the outcome would have been the same.
    yeah joe was clearly winning the bout, but it was a great fight. in my mind it was the best one so far. corey vs nate should be very entertaining. the tequila had some of the blame, but come on marlon, grow up. hey, we finally saw one of his famous street fights.

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    Funny article about, Wayne Weems...or should I say "Nathan Ironside" the pro wrestler...
    http://www.mmatorch.com/artman/publi...icle_507.shtml

    and his bunk record...

    "Also why does Wayne Weems (a.k.a. Nathan Ironside) have IWAI listed as one of the companies he won a MMA fight for? Are you booking MMA fights illegally? Or do you have a license?
    Or is he just lying about it too pad his experience? And against "Trip Shatfires", kind of reminds me of Tripp Strychnine for some reason, and what do you know this was Trip's only fight...
    http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=10769"

    Several other odd instances with wins over other "pro wrestlers" who are now 0-1 in MMA...

    How could Dana not check this guy out a little better? What a waste of a slot on the show...

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    Joe Lauzon on the kick that "dropped him"
    http://mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListM...=1057325&FID=1

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    The backyard brawlers have been matched up on the TUF 5 Finale card already...

    http://ufcmania.com/2007/05/30/tuf-5...o-fight-again/

    http://blogs.chron.com/fighting/2007....html#comments

    Just goes to show that Dana is all about ratings and money...

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    Not a big surprise in the fight last night...and it looks like Nate Diaz gets smart next week and starts training with BJ

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    Joe's week 9 blog

    Week 9: Going behind the scenes
    By Joe Lauzon
    Friday, June 1, 2007 - Updated: 12:08 AM EST

    There are different views that someone could have based on the six-week experience we had living in that house. There is seeing everything that happened with Team Penn, everything that happened with Team Pulver, and then what the viewers see -- which is just a little bit of each side.

    I was fortunate enough to see everything that happened with Team Penn, and now I am seeing some of the gaps filled in with Team Pulver. I don’t think anyone on Team Penn knew about the issues Brandon was going through. At the time, we didn’t know about his hand and we definitely didn’t know about the problems he was having with Jens. There were times when Brandon seemed really pissed off around the house, but I just always assumed it was from trying to keep his weight down.

    One day in practice, BJ and Gray were sparring pretty hard. They were both out there trying to kill one another and really going back and forth. I think Gray got a scratch on his nose that was bleeding, and Rudy wanted to stop it, but Gray waslike, “No, no, no ... I am good. Keep going!” So they kept going back and forth. It was definitely getting more compe ive between them and it was a little beyond the scope of where it started. It escalated, but it was a good escalation. I was a little taken aback though, because BJ is up on this level -- above and beyond anything I had ever experienced -- and then there is Gray giving him all kinds of trouble. I’m sure BJ could have really poured it on and taken control, but I was just like, “Wow. Gray is an animal!”

    We had “Captain America” Randy Couture serve as a guest coach for the day. He showed us all kinds of great stuff, and it was amazing being able to work out with him. Until you lock up with Randy, you really have no idea how dense and skilled he is. I had a huge amount of respect for him, but it jumped up a few levels after working with him.

    I actually got to drill takedowns and throw Randy Couture. Did he let me? One hundred percent. But I will leave that part out when I use the following line: “So, uh, I threw Randy Couture from the clinch. No big deal.”

    Regardless, who else can say they got to work Greco with Randy for a few hours? It was great for Gray, too, because Randy is his normal trainer and coach. Seeing someone familiar when you are alone and cut off from the world was great for his spirits, and in turn, that raised all of ours. When Randy walked in, it was like seeing Gray on Christmas when he got his first pair of wrestling shoes.

    Brandon had a tough time cutting weight, but Wang was there to help him through it all. I’m sure Andy has been catching a lot of aggravation about how his fight went down and being kicked off Team Penn, but you really get to see who Andy is in this episode. Here is a guy that was eliminated from the compe ion and he is doing everything in his power to help the guy that beat him make weight for his next fight. Wang could have been bitter or upset about losing, but instead he is committed to helping Brandon. That’s the kind of teammate you want with you when you are cutting weight and it starts getting tough. I had a lot of respect for Andy after seeing that.

    The fight between Brandon and Gray seemed a lot closer when it was happening. I still think the fight was very compe ive, but I was in shock when Brandon was getting back to his feet over and over. I think everyone on Team Penn expected Gray to take him down and keep him there for the rest of the fight, but Brandon surprised us all. In the end though, Gray kept taking him down and showed how much of a workhorse he is. He exhibited the drive that carried him to all those wrestling accolades in high school and college. Brandon seemed to fatigue as the fight went on, which I am sure had a lot to do with cutting so much weight. The pace of the fight was real fast too, but you can’t cut that much weight and expect to carry a pace like that for very long. While trying to get back to his feet Brandon left his neck exposed and Gray took advantage of it. As Manny said though, “That was a crazy-ass fight, bro.”

    I’ll be back next week with the lowdown on the next quarterfinal matchup.Until then, thanks for reading.

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    Did anyone else catch that when they said Karo and Manny were cousins?

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    Did anyone else catch that when they said Karo and Manny were cousins?


    Definitely...how is 6'5" 155 even possible? He doesn't look THAT skinny like I expected. I want to see him vs Karo Pariysan's cousin who is 5'3"


    Manny was Karo's cornerman at UFC 71...

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    A little late...Man that was a great fight between Gray and Brandon. Melindez did more than i expected after having to cut about 10 lbs in a couple days.

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    lmao @cole and nate

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    I can't believe Jens made Melendez cry.

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    Did anyone else catch that when they said Karo and Manny were cousins?
    Yeah. They certainly look nothing alike. This season has some great talent and I suspect the will use the cast offs to stock the WEC. Great way for exposure without flooding the UFC. I am not an anti TUF guy but it bothers me sometimes seeing do many cast offs on cards.

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    on ufc.com it says episode 10 reairs on thursday. when did it originally air?

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    Tomorrow night is a new episode...

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    Tomorrow night is a new episode...

    Guess I'll have to Tivo it. I'll be at a bar watching the Spurs!!!!!

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    Dana White: Marlon Sims vs. Noah Thomas Fight Cancelled

    Posted by UFC Junkie on June 7, 2007 at 9:14 am ET

    The Ultimate Fighter 5‘s Noah Thomas and Marlon Sims — cast members who earned famed from a backyard brawl and not from their lopsided defeats in the Octagon — will not fight at The Ultimate Fighter 5 Finale as the UFC first announced.

    That’s the word from the Houston Chronicle‘s Steve Sievert, who recently spoke to UFC president Dana White.

    Sims and Thomas both lost their preliminary fights on the television series. However, the show’s producers decided to let eliminated contestants remain in the house, and the two fighters eventually brawled in the season’s eighth episode. The fight included cheap shots from both fighters, and Sims even dropped Thomas — twice — on pavement in an attempt to break free from an armbar. White quickly kicked Sims and Thomas — and ring leader Allen Berube — off the show.

    The episode was tough to watch, and it did little to further the UFC’s goal of portraying MMA as a legitimate sport. That’s why the UFC’s follow-up press release stating the two fighters would fight in the show’s finale was met with widespread criticism.

    White, though, put the blame squarely on e TV, which will broadcast the event on June 23. In fact, White said that not only will the two fighters not take part in the finale, they won’t fight in the UFC — ever.

    “They’re not fighting on the finale,” said UFC President Dana White. “Not only are they not fighting in the finale, they’ll never fight in the UFC. e wanted that fight. It ain’t gonna happen. No (expletive) way is that fight going to happen. Those guys will never fight in the UFC — ever.“

    White told Brawl Sports today that the news release issued by e on May 29 announcing the fight and the “second chance” granted to the backyard brawlers was “a huge mistake.“

    “Mistakes happen. I didn’t find out about it until yesterday. We make mistakes over here … it’s unfortunate.“

    For the full story — including Sievert’s personal thoughts on White’s position — check out the Brawl Sports blog.

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    Now thats interesting. This says a lot about the UFC - e relationship.

    I have always wondered exactly how much pull e had any over UFN / Season finale fight cards.

    I know the impression is Dana rules all but you never know exactly since TV producers aren't going to call him out publically for behind the scenes decisions. So this shows e has a lot of pull since e thought they could get away with this without checking with the UFC first, they even went as far as to promote it.

    So this tells me they have designed some fights on cards before without the UFC having to give the green light. But obviously they don't have the the final word on cards if the UFC thinks they made a bad choice.
    Last edited by Evan; 06-07-2007 at 10:22 AM.

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    Glad to know that they won't be on the card...or in the UFC. Having them on the card would make Dana look like a chump...

    More Marlon Sims streetfighting stories...
    http://mmafever.blogspot.com/2007/06...her-story.html

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    Just goes to show that Dana is all about ratings and money...

    not so fast!

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    Yeah even though it prob would be a bigger draw for e, what they did was pretty jacked up. It was a loppsided fight too, would be boring on tv.........maybe .

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    Funny article about, Wayne Weems...or should I say "Nathan Ironside" the pro wrestler...
    http://www.mmatorch.com/artman/publi...icle_507.shtml

    and his bunk record...

    "Also why does Wayne Weems (a.k.a. Nathan Ironside) have IWAI listed as one of the companies he won a MMA fight for? Are you booking MMA fights illegally? Or do you have a license?
    Or is he just lying about it too pad his experience? And against "Trip Shatfires", kind of reminds me of Tripp Strychnine for some reason, and what do you know this was Trip's only fight...
    http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=10769"

    Several other odd instances with wins over other "pro wrestlers" who are now 0-1 in MMA...

    How could Dana not check this guy out a little better? What a waste of a slot on the show...

    I only registered this so I can speak this one thing. This is Tripp Strychnine from the IWAI. I personally have the tape of the match from October 21st, 2006 where I did lose a W R E S T L I N G match to Nathan Ironside, in 12 minutes and 30 seconds (roughly) by submission. He also, about ripped my left shoulder of of it's socket, straight from the get go. In all honesty, this has got to stop. Any further questions, or comments, hit me up at [email protected] or myspace at myspace.com/trippstrychnine THanks.

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