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Hey guy, you´re playing the "Karl is a whiner" card!
No, it doesn't. It also applies to jumping - as long as you stay vertical and do not initiate contact you cannot commit a foul.
Hey guy, you´re playing the "Karl is a whiner" card!
I'm not the one complaining that Iverson was en led to a call for leaning into Parker.
the officiating sealed our fate. but I will admit we could sink .
If we got all the calls.... then I guess the refs were blind when Carmelo and AI were using their forearms all night to create space for their shots. They missed numerous travels as well... Don't complain to us about the officiating...
It's good to know that the Spurs had nothing whatsoever do to with the Nuggets fate tonight.
I called a manu travel of 6 steps by manu tonight?
Didn't get called.
It really wasn't. It was our fault. Just saying the ref's are starting to play. and that's not good.
. Scapegoating is a solid strategy.
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_a....av=ArticleList2. Guarding an Opponent
In all guarding situations, a player is en led to any spot on the court he desires, provided he legally gets to that spot first and without contact with an opponent. If a defensive or offensive player has established a position on the floor and his opponent initiates contact that results in the dislodging of the opponent, a foul should be called IMMEDIATELY.
During all throw-ins, the defensive player(s) must be allowed to take a position between his man and the basket.
A player may continue to move after gaining a guarding position in the path of an opponent provided he is not moving directly or obliquely toward his opponent when contact occurs. A player is never permitted to move into the path of an opponent after the opponent has jumped into the air.
A player who extends a hand, forearm, shoulder, hip or leg into the path of an opponent and thereby causes contact is not considered to have a legal position in the path of an opponent.
A player is en led to a vertical position even to the extent of holding his arms above his shoulders, as in post play or when double-teaming in pressing tactics.
Any player who conforms to the above is absolved from responsibility for any contact by an opponent which may dislodge or tend to dislodge such player from the position which he has attained and is maintaining legally. If contact occurs, the official must decide whether the contact is incidental or a foul has been committed.
Did I create a topic to do it?
So Parker, leaning backwards while Iverson leaned into him, should have been called for a foul? Curious that I didn't see that in the rule you posted.
It must be the Allen Iverson codicil to the rule -- if a player contests Iverson's shot, Iverson has been fouled and should go to the line, even if the defender has clearly not invaded Iverson's vertical space.
Dude, Phonzie, you must be pretty spoiled if you thought our game was called like . I thought it was mostly consistent and fair, as I thought the first game was. A couple of missed calls and a couple of bad calls in both games, but that happens every game, because refs are only human. Fair and consistent overall.
You want to see a truly badly called game, watch SportsCenter tonight for a recap of the GS/Dallas game. The reffing there is a ing travesty. Dallas is certainly playing better and more aggressively than the last game, but the refs seem to have ensured that Dallas evens the series up. Terrible, terrible officiating there.
Ought to make you feel a lot better about our last two games.
Perhaps not. But neither did I. And, again, I'm not the one here complaining about the officiating.
Perhaps that's where we're different, though. You're cool with ing about officials; I'm not.
sorry babe. you gurls got their calls.
Where did this Phonzie kid come from? As if this forum needed another dense jackass to pollute the boards.
The rule is simply, the defender cant make a body contact in the air.
That is because when you fake your defender with sucess, you should try to jump in his direction.
That said, I really cant understand this discussion. I really dont think the refs were a big factor tonight. I´m okay if Karl complained about one or other call, it´s normal. Im also not complaining that Popovich should have got a TF...
Spurs deserved the win. Period.
Yo Phonzie
Ya in' lost
Get over it
For whatever it's worth, I'm withholding judgment on Nuggets fans, who have generally been pretty good posters around here.
I don't, however, disagree with the original assessment of Georgie Porgie.
not yet baby
But that's not the rule. If an offensive player leans into a defensive player, it's not a defensive foul -- it's either a no-call or it's an offensive foul. I have no idea how Parker can be leaning backwards and still somehow be responsible for fouling Iverson, who is clearly leaning forward an initiating the contact.
no if it hurts it's a foul
In the play in question - Parker didn't make contact. Iverson made (i.e. initiated) contact.
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