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When did this become the AOL teen forum?
eh, that's your team.
When did this become the AOL teen forum?
What's controversial about it? It's in the ing rulebook you puss.
and injuries are part of the game aggie, but controversial BS suspensions shouldn't be
But leaving the bench during an altercation and getting suspended for it are (Knicks-Heat, 1997).
seriously. horry bumps a guy out of bounds. that doesn't even register on the "nasty" scale of playoff fouls. it's obvious why sun fan is so eager to label another team as a bunch of 'dirty losers'...
Classy, is that how the Spurs play, numbnuts? You're bottom-feeding trash, period. The Spurs are a bunch of pussies, just like you. You know we can beat them, should our entire ing team be allowed to play. It's OK, white-trash, we'll beat you with the bench. So, ChumpDumper, go and yourself. And don't ever come to Phoenix.
You need Jesus.
That's why the series is tied, right?
you can't make this up.
Don't see how a dead guy with hippy hair is going to help him.
When are these exceptions you speak of?
The only time players left the bench and were not suspended was when a couple of guys thought it was a fan jumping a player.
Completely different scenario.
Should be a good game.
You need to yourself, jerkoff.
white trash?
how ing stupid are phoenix suns of es fans really?
Suns Fan....
yeah, and don't be bringing no jesus to phoenix!
Why all the hatred?
Unreal.
I'm so tired of all the ing trolls.
Xylus, please know I don't include you in that.
Only if the Suns win. If the Spurs win we get to listen to you pantywaists giving the excuses why the rest of the world is trying to rob you of your birthright.
and to think I rooted for Phoenix in the conference finals last year.
this .
I appreciate that. I don't understand why we can't just all get along.
It is what it is
What does it matter what Suns fans say if the Spurs are advancing to the WCF? I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you.
T'aint that a !!!
http://frommedskool.com/2007/05/15/spurs-suns-game-4/ :
Look, the NBA has an absolute zero tolerance policy when it comes to leaving the bench during a scruffle. There is no subjectivity. There is no question. Whether it should have such a strict policy or not is an independent question. But the fact is, the Suns owner and Coach D'Antoni and Steve Nash and every Suns fan had to know that Stoudemire and Diaw weren't going to be playing Game 5.
End...of...story.
There are no citable examples to the contrary.
Personally, I would've liked to have seen no suspensions. True, I already have trouble with Stu Jackson's implementation of subjective rules. But I'll take my chances and say that the leave the bench rule needs a human touch to it.
Since I agree the rule needs changing, I can feel for the argument that when a flaw is known it should be fixed immediately. Which must be what the fans and pundits in Phoenix are thinking right now. The flaw in this case being a lack of common sense it would seem.
The problem is in altering rules during their application you often sacrifice fairness. The argument isn't whether the league forgoing suspensions for Amare and Boris would've been unfair (it would've been), but rather if such would've been worth it.
True, in a way this is fairness in everyone getting screwed over equally. Arguments for Stoudemire and Diaw's punishment based on those who suffered before them are kind've smiteful. But how can you get away from it?
Every single team knew, before the first tip off of this season, the rules they were playing under. They knew that the leave the bench rule was probably the least flexible of all the on court rules. How can you change that when the other 29 teams have abided by it or suffered under it for at least 82 games?
Until it gives itself up to following in the WWF's footsteps the league's primary, understood, inherent sales pitch is one of compe ion on an even playing field.
No, it isn't perfect. The NBA doesn't live up to that ideal of 'fairness' all the time but its pursuit of that ideal, even when it generates heartless consequences as in this case, is the right one. David Stern doesn't morph into Vince McMahon if an exception is made for Stoudemire and Diaw but you do approach that dreaded 'slippery slope.'
As such, there was almost no chance Stoudemire and Diaw could escape. Granting Stoudemire and Diaw a pass would've been the reasonable thing, but it wouldn't have been the fair one.
If the Suns' owner or their fans were expecting the rule, having never shown compassion before, to be magically endued with that level of reasonableness just for them; if they were willing to dismiss as trivial the cost in fairness of excusing Amare and Diaw...well, I guess they can just stay delusional and view the whole thing as yet another way the NBA is screwing them over.
The best we can hope for is a re imagining of the leave the bench rule before next season starts. That way there's fairness in how it is administered.
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