ESPN Experts RIP the Dirty Spurs

[BlackFlagg]

Seems to me like ex-players who don't have a bias agree that the rule as it stands now was correctly enforced. Its the rule, so you don't break it.

Of course. If the situation were reversed, the Suns fans would be defending the ruling. They all need to grow a pair.

[mardigan]

* "Fair and square" - means eliminating players through a cheap shot in order to win. (i.e.: also see Cheap Shot Bob)

Get over it, easy rule to follow, thye couldnt follow it, goodbye. Horry didnt get anyone suspended except himself

[Trainwreck2100]

I can vouch for Chump on this. I've seen the script.

So you know about Tim hitting Dantoni with a chair, then flipping off the crowd?

[Shelly]

I like this dirty reputation we now have, yo.

[TampaDude]

Yeah, I'm sure Amare and Diaw were going to jump up and run down the court and get suspended even if Horry didn't foul Nash at all.

wait for it...

okay... queue "they knew the rules, it's their fault".... blah blah blah bull !

I'm gonna shoot Horry in the face and say, "he knew if I shot him in the face he was going to die, but he didn't move so I guess it's his fault?"

Come up with something else... ANYTHING??? That's right you got nothing!!

1SUNSFAN, what you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever seen. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[SAtoDallas]

Hey, you have 3000 virtual dollars to go with your virtual playoff win. Maybe you can go buy a virtual woman.

Classic!

[1SUNSFAN]

I can vouch for Chump on this. I've seen the script.

Sweet! Clambake... how does it end? I'm betting with a Suns 20 point victory in game 7. Justice is served! David Stern is somewhat redeemed. And the rest of the nation tunes in to watch the Suns go on to win the Championship! Am I right?

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah, I'm sure Amare and Diaw were going to jump up and run down the court and get suspended even if Horry didn't foul Nash at all.

wait for it...

okay... queue "they knew the rules, it's their fault".... blah blah blah bull !

I'm gonna shoot Horry in the face and say, "he knew if I shot him in the face he was going to die, but he didn't move so I guess it's his fault?"

Come up with something else... ANYTHING??? That's right you got nothing!!

Okay, how about this:

I'm going to call the police and tell them that you just made a threat to murder Robert Horry. They will arrest you because you just made a terroristic threat on a public forum. Do you think the police won't arrest you?

In this case, the fact that you don't know the law doesn't give you the right to threaten to kill someone and put it in writing.

Now let's say that someone rapes your mother because you made a threat to Robert Horry. This is their defense. Will they be arrested? Yes, because one crime does not justify another. Robert Horry broke a rule, and if your team didn't, they'd be staring at a gigantic advantage.

If you don't understand the rules, just admit that you're willing to cheat to win and that you want the league to just give your team wins that they don't deserve.

Actually, I am going to make sure Kori takes down your IP address in case someone decides to report you, because what you did is actually a crime.

[mardigan]

Yeah, I'm sure Amare and Diaw were going to jump up and run down the court and get suspended even if Horry didn't foul Nash at all.

wait for it...

okay... queue "they knew the rules, it's their fault".... blah blah blah bull !

I'm gonna shoot Horry in the face and say, "he knew if I shot him in the face he was going to die, but he didn't move so I guess it's his fault?"

Come up with something else... ANYTHING??? That's right you got nothing!!

Man, Im at a loss for words......
I really cant believe anyone would ever type such a thing

[1SUNSFAN]

Okay, how about this:

I'm going to call the police and tell them that you just made a threat to murder Robert Horry. They will arrest you because you just made a terroristic threat on a public forum. Do you think the police won't arrest you?

In this case, the fact that you don't know the law doesn't give you the right to threaten to kill someone and put it in writing.

Now let's say that someone rapes your mother because you made a threat to Robert Horry. This is their defense. Will they be arrested? Yes, because one crime does not justify another. Robert Horry broke a rule, and if your team didn't, they'd be staring at a gigantic advantage.

If you don't understand the rules, just admit that you're willing to cheat to win and that you want the league to just give your team wins that they don't deserve.

Actually, I am going to make sure Kori takes down your IP address in case someone decides to report you, because what you did is actually a crime.

Hahhahahhahha! YES! Please CALL THE POLICE!

Let's see how long it takes them to get here.

I see lots of post where people are saying, "put a dagger in the Suns" and like that... should I call Homeland Security or Border Control?

You are all a bunch of dumbasses. I'm turning you off...

[mardigan]

Hahhahahhahha! YES! Please CALL THE POLICE!

Let's see how long it takes them to get here.

I see lots of post where people are saying, "put a dagger in the Suns" and like that... should I call Homeland Security or Border Control?

You are all a bunch of dumbasses. I'm turning you off...

Go yourself asshole. Saying put a dagger in the Suns is completely different than threatining a players life.

[Obstructed_View]

Hahhahahhahha! YES! Please CALL THE POLICE!

Let's see how long it takes them to get here.

I see lots of post where people are saying, "put a dagger in the Suns" and like that... should I call Homeland Security or Border Control?

You are all a bunch of dumbasses. I'm turning you off...

Wow, that was easy.

[cheguevara]

ESPN is a mediocre network at best. I would not go and say the have "experts"

are greg anthony, legler or Screaming Smith experts?

[cheguevara]

I would say Stein, Hollinger and others are experts. I did not hear them rip the spurs

[BigBeezie]

The only writer I like is from CBS Sportsline...name: Tony Mejia

Tony Mejia is the most consistent writer/analyst I have ever read. The guy is money and I would usually wager money based on his predictions.

[SpursWoman]

Wow, that was easy.

Man ... if it really works, you are my hero.

[RonMexico]

Yean, Hollinger was wrong though - Suns didn't get the benefit from the officials.

Spurs shot more FTs overall, but it was only one-sided in the Suns' favor in the 1st quarter.

[smeagol]

1SUNSFAN, what you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever seen. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

That's because you never met LakerGod and Wolves 009

[Trainwreck2100]

Actually LakerGod is now ks109

[Obstructed_View]

Yean, Hollinger was wrong though - Suns didn't get the benefit from the officials.

Spurs shot more FTs overall, but it was only one-sided in the Suns' favor in the 1st quarter.

I thought the Spurs were slower on both ends in the first and were getting beat to spots. People were ing about the calls but I didn't think any of them were particularly bad. The Spurs didn't play in the 4th quarter of game 4 and it looked like the calls weren't going their way then, too. It's no coincidence that the Spurs make more mistakes and commit more fouls when they aren't concentrating.

[RonMexico]

I thought the Spurs were slower on both ends in the first and were getting beat to spots. People were ing about the calls but I didn't think any of them were particularly bad. The Spurs didn't play in the 4th quarter of game 4 and it looked like the calls weren't going their way then, too. It's no coincidence that the Spurs make more mistakes and commit more fouls when they aren't concentrating.

Yeah, and Suns committed dumb fouls in the 4th because of complete fatigue, no matter what Raja says.

Raja's flop on Manu was only called because Manu inexplicably stopped and looked at Ron Garretson, who probably then felt obligated to make a call.

Barbosa needs to stop trying to take it straight at TD like he's MJ or something... has ever heard of a hesitation move, crossover dribble, using the rim as a guard, or trying to draw a foul?

And was anyone else annoyed at Bernie Fryer's constant "I'll call the foul if the guy misses the layup" routine? Happened twice for the Suns, with Marion receiving benefit in the 1st and Thomas getting the call in 3rd or 4th... then Duncan got the call late in the 4th and drained both FTs before missing the 2 on the play that wasn't really "off-the-ball" no matter what Pop thought.

[FromWayDowntown]

And was anyone else annoyed at Bernie Fryer's constant "I'll call the foul if the guy misses the layup" routine? Happened twice for the Suns, with Marion receiving benefit in the 1st and Thomas getting the call in 3rd or 4th... then Duncan got the call late in the 4th and drained both FTs before missing the 2 on the play that wasn't really "off-the-ball" no matter what Pop thought.

I agree with you about Fryer, but I can't understand your contention about the last foul on Duncan. When he was fouled, the ball was clearly out of his hands and on it's way to Finley. If he doesn't have the ball, the Suns are fouling a guy without the ball, wishing to send him to the free throw line instead of the ball-handler. It's Hack a Shaq in a slightly different form. Replays seemed pretty conclusive to me that the ball was well out of Duncan's hand before the foul was committed. I don't think that an official can decide that the fouling player intended to commit the foul sooner, either. It ultimately didn't matter -- and I understand why the call was made as it was -- but I don't see how anyone could argue that the call wasn't an off-the-ball foul.

[RonMexico]

I agree with you about Fryer, but I can't understand your contention about the last foul on Duncan. When he was fouled, the ball was clearly out of his hands and on it's way to Finley. If he doesn't have the ball, the Suns are fouling a guy without the ball, wishing to send him to the free throw line instead of the ball-handler. It's Hack a Shaq in a slightly different form. Replays seemed pretty conclusive to me that the ball was well out of Duncan's hand before the foul was committed. I don't think that an official can decide that the fouling player intended to commit the foul sooner, either. It ultimately didn't matter -- and I understand why the call was made as it was -- but I don't see how anyone could argue that the call wasn't an off-the-ball foul.

that's why I put "off-the-ball" in quotes because technically it was, but in spirit it wasn't - I'll explain:
#1 - you needed pretty slow-mo replays to conclusively state that it had left his hands before Bell touched him (especially since the official was shielded by Duncan's body)
#2 - people elsewhere and on this message board blasted the officials in Game 4 for not calling the touch foul by Finley on Nash that led to this whole Flagrant 2/Suspension mess in the first place, so with the shot clock already off, they were probably ready with a quick whistle
#3 - throughout the years, if a player is inches away from a guy and making a move to foul him, but the guy throws the ball and it is in mid-air, they've given the defender the benefit of the doubt and whistled a foul
#4 - if the ball were in Finley's hands already and then Bell committed the foul, then they probably would have called it off-the-ball (esentially, it's not as cut-and-dry as the Parker/Barbosa foul).
#5 - It was shown on TNT, while Stern wanted the Suns to win, and so putting Duncan on the line with a 3 point Spur lead was just the "drama" the network and the league wanted... just kidding.

[L.I.T]

I was actually impressed with the refs. They weren't as bad as usual (which is saying a lot) and there were at least two instances where they could have called technicals on D'Antoni and didn't; they allowed him to make an ass of himself then firmly took him away from the action. They managed the game and the emotions on the Suns bench and the crowd fairly well.

Of course I still woulda loved to see them toss his ass out, but whatever.

[jmard5]

The same experts who predicted a Mavs win over the Warriors? Enough said.